Post a New Topic
Original post made
on Nov 18, 2011
60,000 acres out of the pool of tax-paying properties just pushes up the cost of government on the rest of us, while providing little of value to society at large.
The hills with houses are much more attractive than those with weeds. Open space is non-productive space.
Personally I'd take the hills with weeds and denser housing here any day. But if you'd like to live someplace where every square inch of land is developed there are places like that too. But here we need to preserve this open space while it is still open.
I'd think it costs less to govern open space than to govern any high density development. If development really paid for its own governing, then our governments would be showing a surplus instead of a deficit. More development doesn't appear to be the answer, although it does indeed line many pockets with short term profit.
Cattle grazing and agricultural crops sound productive to me, especially when I'm thinking about my next meal. I guess all of that unfilled S.F. Bay is also unproductive to some people. We should move the Bay to somewhere with cheaper property values.
Wow, a lot of naysayers on this thread! Do these responders think that you would have lower taxes and better services if all that open space had houses (and roads and schools and shopping centers and waste removal and on and on) instead of beautiful forests and woodlands? Have you personally found that when more development occurs in your neighborhood that your quality of life improves?
I am so grateful that I live where within an hour's drive I can be hiking under a beautiful redwood canopy, or a place with views of bay and ocean, where there are hawks and bobcats and deer. They also run wonderful programs where my children and I can learn about the native plants and wildlife here. Thanks, Open Space District!
But are you willing to pay for open space? Like you, personally pay every time you use it? Could you, personally, afford it?
IT IS WONDERFUL TO LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE VALUE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROVIDE AREA'S FOR ALL TO RECREATE RICH AND POOR.
Small step for mankind, big victory for the plants and animals. Keep the people off the land as far as I am concerned. We have ruined enough of the planet as is. Somebody has got to stick up for those without a voice. More power to mother nature and all her non human creatures.
Well, Walter, I'm lucky enough that I probably COULD afford a few bucks every time I enjoyed our open space. But part of what is wonderful about this area is that our woodlands are open to EVERYONE, not just those with the means to pay each time. Last week I took a short hike up to a peak in Fremont Older Open Space Preserve, and found about 30 4-year-olds of every ethnicity with their teachers who were out on a field trip. What a great way for kids to learn about the beauty of this area! If they had to "pay to play", they probably wouldn't be there.
For the record, I wouldn't take old wally to seriously. He is a contrarian by nature, and gets his kicks apparently by throwing up roadblocks just for the sake of it. Please recognize that he is tired and needs an avenue to vent on in his waning years.
To the naysayers - breath the COx from your own words and cars and leave fresh O2 from the open space preserves for us.
You enjoy the benefits, but call it names.
Big congratulations to POST and the MROSD! Proximity to these open space preserves is one of my favorite things about living in Palo Alto. This is an example of the Peninsula community showing great foresight 40 years ago, and now we are reaping the benefits. I hope our own decisions now will prove so enduring and beneficial in 2050!
I feel sorry for the people who aren't able to appreciate the sublime beauty and serenity of these areas.
Waning years hell! I'm in my prime.
Look at the brown, undeveloped hills as opposed to the green developed ones. You may kid yourself that your 300 HP ride to your hour in "wilderness" makes you closer to nature, but Mother Nature knows different. Cultivation means modifying to better suit man's needs. An occasional 15 acre developed park is nice - 60,000 acres [93,75 square miles] undeveloped is wasted. And don't get me started on wilderness areas. Apologize if you must for your impact on the earth, but mine made earth better.
"Look at the brown, undeveloped hills as opposed to the green developed ones"
Walter - Any particular green, developed hills in mind?
When I go for my hikes/exercise, I find it far more valuable in an undeveloped area.
Now Walter old sport, don't get all worked up- you know it's not good for your heart- I realize that your generation refuses to believe that you are getting older- hence all the viagra pills and unwillingness to pull over and get out of the way for the next generation to drive- please realize that this is a new phenomenon- and in the recent past you would have to hang up your saddle unless and lay your holster down- arthritic hands cand draw like they used to old sport- and by the way- when I venture into these vast parks
which you decry I do so by bicycle old sport- something that is simply beyond your capacity. Now take a deep breath and try not to get to excited.
Walter reminds me of a forester I used to know who lived by the mantra that a tree only has value when it is dead and on the way to the mill. A pretty narrow minded perspective, wrongly deciding that only humans who benefit financially count in the grand scheme of life on the planet. From the sounds of things, he is of the generation that generated the greatest amount of pollution and degradation of the environment in recent history. The heck with the fish, who needs em? Dam those rivers up for cheap hydro-electric power. That sort of thing.
Kinda like the Coastal Commission that has significantly reduced access to the ocean shore while drastically inflating the profit of those controlling the remaining developable, non open space land. Folla the dolla, bucky.
We need these spaces/land!! FOR the beauty, and the environment. Plus it supports creature space.
Then YOU buy them. With your own, personal, not-tax deductible money. don't drag me in to my own barbeque.
Incidentally, take a look at Emerald Hills.
You think Emerald Hills is better than walking the wild oaks of Long Ridge?
I would much rather my tax dollars go the purchase of open space land than to go any other tax dollar use.
And one other thing - the land is bought at fair market value.
No imminent domain. Plus others have volunteered to have ev easements on their land.
How can anybody but Scrooge complain about open space land.
And here I thought there should be non mention of Xmas until after Thx Giving.
Fair market value for land already bared from any development. First downzone it, THEN make an offer. Legal theft. Grazing land is not in demand.
Don't miss out on the discussion!
Sign up to be notified of new comments on this topic.
Post a comment
Posting an item on Town Square is simple and requires no registration. Just complete this form and hit "submit" and your topic will appear online.
Please be respectful and truthful in your postings so Town Square will continue to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing community information
We prefer that you use your real name, but you may use any "member" name you wish.
Select your neighborhood or school community: * Not sure?
- Barron Park
- Charleston Gardens
- Charleston Meadows
- College Terrace
- Community Center
- Crescent Park
- Downtown North
- Duveneck/St. Francis
- Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
- Esther Clark Park
- Evergreen Park
- Greater Miranda
- Green Acres
- Greendell/Walnut Grove
- Leland Manor/Garland Drive
- Meadow Park
- Monroe Park
- Old Palo Alto
- Palo Alto Hills
- Palo Alto Orchards
- Palo Verde
- South of Midtown
- St. Claire Gardens
- The Greenhouse
- Triple El
- University South
- Woodland Ave. area (East Palo Alto)
- Addison School
- Barron Park School
- Duveneck School
- Egan Middle School (Los Altos)
- El Carmelo School
- Escondido School
- Fairmeadow School
- Gunn High School
- Hoover School
- JLS Middle School
- Jordan Middle School
- Juana Briones School
- Nixon School
- Ohlone School
- Palo Alto High School
- Palo Verde School
- Santa Rita (Los Altos)
- Terman Middle School
- Walter Hays School
- another community
- Another Palo Alto neighborhood
- East Palo Alto
- Los Altos
- Los Altos Hills
- Menlo Park
- Mountain View
- Portola Valley
Verification code: *
Enter the verification code exactly as shown, using capital and lowercase letters, in the multi-colored box.
Local picks on 2015 Michelin Bib Gourmand list
By Elena Kadvany | 8 comments | 3,712 views
Politics: Empty appeals to "innovation"
By Douglas Moran | 13 comments | 1,571 views
By Chandrama Anderson | 0 comments | 1,520 views
By Cheryl Bac | 0 comments | 1,488 views
It's Dog-O-Ween this Saturday!
By Cathy Kirkman | 2 comments | 773 views
Home & Real Estate
Shop Palo Alto
Send News Tips
Circulation & Delivery
Mountain View Voice
© 2014 Palo Alto Online
All rights reserved.