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on Oct 10, 2011
Ummm, yah. That's where they live.
The OSP folks even put up signs telling everyone they live there so it should be no surprise to anone when one is seen. Remember though, they are ALWAYS there, weather someone sees them or not; every day they are there. Next headline: Rattle snake seen on sunny rock pile in Long Ridge? How about Squirrel seen in tree in PA neighborhood? Fish seen in ocean water?
I am waiting for someone to make the claim that the mountain lion is the victim of racial profiling. They are, certainly, steriotyped and misunderstood.
Fear fear fear
don't go outside
stay indoors until further notiice
This should not be news. It is the cat's habitat. The hiker should not have called the sheriff; they have more important things to do.
Mountain Lions were there first, why is this guy calling in the Sheriff's Dept? Give the mountain lions a break, it's there home not ours. I would love to see a mountain lion in the wild, they are such majestic and magnificent animals.
I agree with Just me, poor things, they are the subject of hate crimes and racial profiling. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone.
Now if he had spotted a Kangaroo, or a Zebra, or a Stegasaurus, THAT would be impressive.
Windy Hill is a popular hiking area and is very accessible to families and small children. It is somewhat unusual for a lion to be active and in the open at 11 a.m. and so the hiker was taking a reasonable step. Wouldn't it be prudent if the sheriff's dept were able to warning people bringing small children of an active mountain lion in the area? Preventing an interaction would protect both the animal and the people.
Koji, please spare us the children are in danger argument. This is where Kitty lives. The children who live in the valley below face much greater peril on a daily basis. Your argument is tired and baseless. Kitty Kats in Caly have NOT been known to attack hikers, and only in very rare cases has this happened over the last hundred years, so please try to focus on reality instead of hysteria, and realize that nature and wild animals are not child predators, unlike many folks roaming the streets down yonder.
Big Al, I'm not putting forth an hysterical "children in danger" argument.
All I claimed was that it wasn't unreasonable for a hiker spotting a mountain lion in a public recreation area in broad daylight to phone it in. The hysteria in this forum, if any, has been on the side of people arguing the obvious position that this is the mountain lion's habitat.
I'm pretty sure that the hiker didn't report the mountain lion because it didn't belong there--the report was made so that people could be aware that there was a large predator active in the area.
For the record, I don't have kids and frankly wouldn't mind most of them being eaten.
Your comments about the danger on city streets for children are completely irrelevant to this discussion.
That is where they live, we are the intruders. I'm much more alarmed by cars and trucks recklessly speeding down my street and maniacal drivers on the freeway then by mountain lions and rattlesnakes in hiking areas.
So I guess by everyone's comments that when a Great White Shark enters into a swimming/surfing area, it's ridiculous to warn everyone, because a) it's the shark's habitat and b) reckless driving is more of a danger. I'm pretty sure a lot more people die from heart disease than from reckless drivers, so isn't it silly to tell the police when someone is driving recklessly? After all, the roads are where drivers belong. A lot more people are being killed by McDonald's hamburgers. I'm more concerned about fast food.
Ahh, the great outdoors, pack up the kids and go for a nature hike.
Wait, alert, there is wildlife! Quick, call the cops, call the army, call your congressman! Get the Lysol! Get the antiseptic! Wildlife should be banned from places where people might be!
Humans only really have one preditor they need to worry about, and that is other humans. And to an individual human, his biggest danger comes from himself.
We have killed off a lot of the prey that the mountain lions would normally eat, like deer and stuff, and we are constantly encroaching on the little territory they have. They are hungry and squeezed, so they sometimes venture into areas where humans might see them (gasp) and we act surprised? I don't believe they WANT to be seen by humans, but they have no choice because they have a natural aversion to starvation.
Perhaps we should farm goats up there or something, and count the "disappeared" goats.
While I agree that its great to have them in the wild, in this area we have certainly not killed off their main food (deer), in fact the herds are thriving. Also, we really aren't "squeezing" them out either. A population that is under pressure does not increase. The population of mtn lions in our area has grown nicely because we saved their habitat(OSP's) and because they have an ample supply of food. That said, we do have a limited amount of space, so as the population continues to grow, they will push further into more urban areas, until the holding capacity of the avail land reaches a kind or equilibrium.
Will they leave this area?
I have a five year old grandson who lives and plays in the Sierras near Squaw Valley; he has seen bears and learned to walk away from them slowly. The argument that children are in danger is fallacious. If kids in the Sierras can learn to cohabitate and play around bears in bear country, kids in the Santa Cruz Mountains can learn to live with mountain lions.
Anyways, if I were to see a mountain lion (which I never have) I would feel rather lucky to be able to view this creature in its native environment, as opposed to the local zoo. I would not feel compelled to phone it in, and let everybody know what I just saw in order to keep my fellow humans safe from an attack. That's just me, and I am most likely completely insane, right? That being said, white sharks are another creature Koji old sport, which, in case you are not aware, have been known to attack swimmers year after year along our coast. Your comparison doesn't hold much weight in this case. Remember, mountain lion attacks are very unusual, and highly unlikely, while shark attacks occur all the time. You make the call. I was just trying to let people know that nature is something to explore, as opposed to playing video games. All these silly warnings do is make people afraid of going outside.
Well, at least the Sheriff's did not kill the Cougar.
If I saw a Mountain Lion while hiking in the hills I would want to notify Park Rangers/Fish&Game (some natureously focused public agency) ONLY so that they can take advantage of human sightings for at least two reasons..
1) population density/expansion
2) behavioral adaptation changes......being seen in late morning or early afternoon when usually they're nocturnal.....or older female lions approaching young human male joggers and purring..."do you come here often?" :)
But, while I personally like hearing sightings accounts, this really isn't any "news".
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