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on Jun 15, 2011
Is it right for the police to risk a high speed chase during rush hour over a shoplifting incident?
All that for a blue ray? now you have no car and you are going to be locked up. Was it really worth it?
Bigger question, where is the gun? If it was thrown from the car it needs to be found. If the security guards at Sears were wrong about the gun, they need to have questions asked.
If a gun is part of this scenario, then it is not just a case of shoplifting.
Exactly, Mr. Ironic. Shows how stupid most criminals are. Look how many people were endangered by this chase, too.
Sid - get over yourself. Don't you notice how many people from your own town & other local cities are criminals? It's not that hard - it's all over the news - educate yourself.
I am glad this loser was caught. Plus, he owned a gas guzzler - people, this isn't 1973 ;-)
There are some details that have yet to come out about this incident. First, he didn't steal the DVD player--he stole the gun! He was brandishing the Blu-Ray. It had an old Eddie Murphy movie in it and it thought it would be menacing.
Second, before he hit the Sears, he shoplifted a pineapple upside-down cake from the Milk Pail next door. When the Cadillac hit 80, the cake tried to right itself, and--well, you know the rest.
Hey "high speed chase for shoplifting", it wasn't just a "shoplifting". It was an attempted "armed robbery" involving a firearm. Big difference. Talk about conveniently leaving out some major details in order to make a point. Typical for P.A.
He flipped a Cadillac? Whoa.
OH! I do so love it when people question the protection of the rights of the thug vs. support the people trying to protect us. Right on Les...isn't this attitude just so tiring?
I think everyone agrees that truly petty crimes should not result in high speed pursuits. But in this case the police were told the guy had just committed a robbery using a gun. That it NOT a petty crime and I am glad the police chased and caught him.
In Palo Alto, most petty shoplifting theft is ignored. Even the store employees don't give chase, much less the police.
An ARMED robbery is a different matter.
A high speed chase on East Bayshore about 5:30 p.m???? NOTHING moves on East Bayshore after at least 4:30 p.m. - and especially between the Embarcadero/East Bayshore intersection toward Home Depot. It is total gridlock M-F at that time.
Worst intersection in town.
To High Speed Chase etc. Bob pointed out the chase was on East Bayshore, not 101, and there is virtually no traffic on that street at an time. And this was apparently an armed robbery, not shoplifting alone.
Armed robbery is when you commit robbery with a weapon. In this case, the guy was shoplifting. He was caught. He stepped back, thought for a second, and said, "Look, I don't want this Blu-Ray after all. However, I also don't want to be arrested. I have a gun, so please let me go." So this was really just unlawful possession and carrying of weapons. He only showed the gun when he had abandoned his robbery attempt.
While I appreciate your feeble attempt to play attorney, I think you're trying too hard to find a reason to defend this crook.
Even assuming he only brandished the gun after an employee tried to stop a theft, he has still committed an armed robbery. Check your caselaw.
And, really... are you saying that someone who "only" points a gun at someone should not be chased and arrested? Even the NRA president would disagree with you there.
@Bob: keep in mind he didn't necessarily "point" the gun. This was a polite chap. A gentleman who was taught, from his early youth, that pointing is rude. And "brandishing" is such a wonderful word that I think we really have to encourage it. And we have to face the fact that there is currently a definite brandishing deficit. There simply aren't enough things to brandish anymore. You can't very well brandish an iPhone or (heavens forbid!) an Android phone. What's left? You could effectively argue that we're to some degree forced to carry a gun simply to have something to brandish. At least that's the tact this feeble lawyer would take.
Sorry, typo, for "tact" read "tack." Have to enable comment editing!
I was there on Bayshore at the point where the suspect flipped his car. He was traveling north on the wrong side of the road at a high rate of speed when he tried to cross over to the right side at a break in the median. He was unable to negotiate the turn, clipped the median and the car flipped. Hey, at least he made it onto the right side of the road.
I would not hire George K as my lawyer, or anything for that matter after those comments. I'm sure he really didn;t want the blu-ray after all, after getting caught...give me a break. Stop making excuses for people, they can do it themselves.
I am so happy that no one was hurt. I seriously question high speed chases, even when someone has a gun. I'm not pro-thug, I am anti-murder/anti-accident-while-chasing-idiots but it's a tough call - dude had a gun during the commission of another crime, even if some believe he was polite w/it.
Bravo Papd and MT view PD. Thanks for taking another dirtbag off the streets. To the critics: what if that scum pointed a gun at your loved one and robbed them? Would you be so objective about a high speed chase?
Yeah, Ralph, I wouldn't necessarily be for it. Using a gun in the commission of a crime is terrible. Clearly, if it didn't justify a high speed chase, it wouldn't have happened. But we're still allowed to question it because of the number of accidents which result from high speed chases - not because the criminal should get away. IMO, it's not an easy peasy chase the guy.
Understood hmmm. I'm glad it turned out well. Even the scumbag walked away with minor injuries. I just wish people would stop placing the bulk of the responsibility on the cops. Its the criminals fault for running. Cops are just doing what we pay them to do. I think that we in Palo Alto are so spoiled with the level of service we receive that we just over criticize the cops. Try living in Oakland or Los Angeles.
Ralph, my online friend, I totally agree. I'm a native of PA/MP & have lived in EPA for years now. Sheesh, our PD is busy! I have found that while their level of service varies, depending on what else is going on & the competence of the cop, but I'm constantly surprised by how much they care & how much they do.
In this sitch, the results could've been truly bad.
There are times I'd love to live in Oaktown. Areas of it are gorgeous, nice people, awesome shopping, culture & food. But it's not just where you live, it's the routes you have to take to get where you're going that are so iffy. We are pretty lucky here, overall. Even in EPA - if they're not shooting, they're waving at you ;-)
First thing I did before moving in was called the police to get crime stats on my potential block & surrounding area, then looked around at escape routes, then moved in & acquired dogs.
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