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On Deadline: A long, often bumpy road to a new Stanford medical complex

Original post made on Jun 14, 2011

Monday night's approval of the massive rebuilding of the Stanford Hospital/Medical Center complex concludes the first chapter of the biggest single development in Palo Alto's history.

Read the full opinion here Web Link posted Friday, June 10, 2011, 12:00 AM

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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 14, 2011 at 12:37 pm

"Stanford would retaliate by activating Stanford loyalists who would weigh in with letters to the editor, presentations at meetings"
What a stupid, ridiculous comment, Jay. Do you really believe that the people who are speaking in favor of the hospital are controlled by Stanford and told when to come forward and speak. Ridiculous. Do you think, for example, that Gary fazzino's recent comments were not his own? Do you think that Stanford gave him a script and told him what to say.
This is an issue of truth vs fantasy--we have the people who have been helped by Stanford coming forward to speak from their hearts, telling the truth vs the fantasies pushed by certain unsuccessful former council members, who either whine about too much traffic, with a sour expression on their face or publish their anti-Stanford screeds in pamphlet form and send it to the citizens.
Really, Jay, I find it hard to believe that an intelligent newspaperman would write something like that


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Posted by CHinCider
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2011 at 1:48 pm

To "svatoid" -

I think you need to read the story a little more carefully. The comments you are concerned about refer to past situations, not the recent dynamic. While the article is admittedly a little difficult to follow as it repeatedly switches from present tense to historical anticdotes, it seems clear that the reference to "activating Stanford loyalists" was in the context of prior issues, and certainly was not directed at Gary Fazinno.

Try reading it again.


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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm

CHinCider--then at best it is a poor piece of journalism. Anyway, I think the comment about Stanford "activating their loyalists" is a stupid, ignorant comment, regardless of how things have changed on the council and how they relate to Stanford.


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Posted by It was a done-deal
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 14, 2011 at 10:35 pm

I agree with Jay about Stanford loyalists - long time loyal employees, including a few doctors and weepy people with stories about how they or their relatives were patients at the hospital. As though we don't all share that experience, but they are willing to whine and shed a tear at the microphone.
Stanford hired a former mayor of Palo Alto, a lawyer who knows the inside of the city administration and how to manipulate it. She has a lot of experience with big development both in the city government and subsequently.
Then Stanford almost succeeded in getting their PR chief hired as a Manager in our Planning Department. He is not a planner and has no planning education. Frank Benest apparently was OK with that corrupt plan, as was Mr Emslie, head of Planning at the time. Alert citizens shone public sunlight on to it and it was stopped.
So there is plenty of ugliness to remember. It was a done-deal from the start.


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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 15, 2011 at 6:35 am

"I agree with Jay about Stanford loyalists - long time loyal employees, including a few doctors and weepy people with stories about how they or their relatives were patients at the hospital. As though we don't all share that experience, but they are willing to whine and shed a tear at the microphone."
Attacking those that were helped by Stanford and come to support them. The people that were busy whining, instead of trying to deal with Stanford in an adult manner, were the anti-Stanford NIMBYists, constantly whining about too much traffic and "negative" effects of anything that Stanford does.
We have discussed the positives of having the hospital here. Some people do not consider that a benefit--you included. As others mentioned Palo Alto has brought nothing to the table and instead extorts money from Stanford, while making outrageous demands for Stanford to give them the moon.
Or perhaps you would have preferred for the Stanford medical center to close down?? Palo Alto without Stanford is Gary, Indiana.


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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 15, 2011 at 8:07 am

Bill--you edited my first sentence, above, so that it is grammatically incorrect by removing my point that the comments by Its-a-done deal were jack Morton-style comments.

Please note the following links, some from your paper, that show Morton's attitudes and why my analysis should not be edited:

Web Link:
"Former Vice Mayor Jack Morton accused Stanford of "playing dirty" in its stance that, because improved local health care would benefit the community, the city could exempt the project from various development requirements. He compared the university to a "medieval Duchy" in a pamphlet he wrote in his final months on the council."

Web Link:
"AS reported in the Daily News, Morton was particularly harsh in comments he made regarding patients who have spoken on Stanford's behalf in the past (... you can bring a parade of former patients" to recount how Stanford's hospitals saved their lives, Morton continued, alluding to some of the people who have spoken on the university's behalf in public comment sessions). Taken in context of his entire diatribe I find his comments to be callous and entirely lacking in empathy. (unfortunately you have to be a member now of the PA Daily News website to view the story, so I cannot post a link)
He claims that Stanford plays dirty--does he provide any proof for this? What does he consider "dirty"? He provides no proof."


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 15, 2011 at 12:00 pm

Fiber to the home will be obsoleted when AT&T moves into Palo Alto with their 80 wireless antennas. The new technologies are going all wireless.


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Posted by It was a done-deal
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 15, 2011 at 1:45 pm

Apparently svatoid doesn't consider this evidence of playing dirty:
Quoting myself here: Then Stanford almost succeeded in getting their PR chief hired as a Manager in our Planning Department. He is not a planner and has no planning education. Frank Benest apparently was OK with that corrupt plan, as was Mr Emslie, head of Planning at the time. Alert citizens shone public sunlight on to it and it was stopped.
svatoid, stop calling names, you are way out of line. I have no connection to Morton. Anyone who pays close attention would recall this incredibly corrupt episode. By the way, the guy went back to heading up the hospital PR and that's what he is doing now.


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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 15, 2011 at 1:55 pm

"Apparently svatoid doesn't consider this evidence of playing dirty:
Quoting myself here: Then Stanford almost succeeded in getting their PR chief hired as a Manager in our Planning Department. He is not a planner and has no planning education. Frank Benest apparently was OK with that corrupt plan, as was Mr Emslie, head of Planning at the time. Alert citizens shone public sunlight on to it and it was stopped."

But what is the evidence that they were playing dirty. Why is it considered to be playing dirty if you get people sympathetic to your cause involved in the process.
perhaps your problem is with Benest and Emslie, who had no problem with the matter. Did Stanford offer any payoffs? In that case it would be dirty. Please, provide proof.

"svatoid, stop calling names, you are way out of line. I have no connection to Morton. Anyone who pays close attention would recall this incredibly corrupt episode. By the way, the guy went back to heading up the hospital PR and that's what he is doing now."
You consider the fact that I stated that your comments were Jack Morton-like as being name calling? What name did I call you? Or is comparing you to Jack Morton, name-calling?i just pointed out that your comments regarding people who spoke in favor of Stanford were similar to his. BTW, your comments about doctors and former patients show an incredible lack of empathy or sympathy for these people. People who live in glass houses.....

"Anyone who pays close attention would recall this incredibly corrupt episode."
Please provide proof that there was corruption involved. You seem to be hurling quite a few accusations at Stanford.


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