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A rare anti-socialist film getting raves in Europe

Original post made by Gary, Downtown North, on Sep 6, 2010

"The Ditch" appears to have some hope of getting serious recognition in Venice. It is about a socialist reeducation camp in China. It happened in 1960, therefore the statute of limitations appears to be over for European socialists to recognize the sins of their brethren in China. I wonder when they will, finally, recognize similar films from Cuba. Then from Sweden.

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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm



In brutal fact, between 1959 and 1962, at least forty-three million Chinese died during the famine Snow didn't bother to see.
Most died of hunger, over two million were executed or were beaten or tortured to death, the birth rate halved in some places, parents sold their children, and people dug up the dead and ate them.

The cause of this disaster, the worst ever to befall China and one of the worst anywhere at any time, was Mao, who, cheered on by his sycophantic and frightened colleagues, decreed that before long China's economy must overtake that of the Soviet Union, Britain and even the US.
Mao suggested that 'When there is not enough to eat people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill,' and declared that anyone who questioned his policies was a 'Rightist', a toxic term eventually applied to thirteen million Party members.Web Link

The mass killers of the 20th Century, Mao, Stalin and Hitlers were atheists who promised utopia.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 7, 2010 at 12:24 pm

>> socialist reeducation camp in China

China is not socialist, it is communist totalitarian state.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 7, 2010 at 12:37 pm

Anon,

That is a distinction without much of a difference. Eleanor Roosevelt is reported to have said, "Communists are liberals in a hurry".

All communist states and movements consider themselves socialist.

Mao and Stalin were both protected by European and American leftist intellectuals and their fellow travelers in the press. It is interesting that this movie appears to be getting some positive stir by the leftwing press in Europe. The mass death in China, under Mao, has been known for some time, but it is not emphasized by the socialist apologia.


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 7, 2010 at 12:55 pm

Gary states:
"That is a distinction without much of a difference. Eleanor Roosevelt is reported to have said, "Communists are liberals in a hurry". "

Once again playing fast and loose with the facts about communism, socialism and Eleanor roosevelt:

Web Link
"A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing."

and

Web Link
"Communists now called themselves "liberals in a hurry.""

and
Web Link
"As early as the late 1930s, even known Communists in government were often regarded by their colleagues as merely "liberals in a hurry." "

While I see that Perspective/Sharon have resurrected the "Gary" alter ego for this occasion ( and quickly wrote a response to their own post), they still have trouble with facts.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 7, 2010 at 6:37 pm

Welcome Back, Gary!!

Nice post!

And, as much as I would love to be as smart and pithy as Gary, he ain't I!

But thanks for the compliment,GB.



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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 7, 2010 at 6:38 pm

I meant, I ain't! ( He, actually, is!)


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 8:00 am

back,

It is interesting that you would recommend a book review by William Rusher, the essence of which is to argue that the search for communists in this country was well justified, and underpersued by Joe McCarthy.

Marxists have a bee in their bonnet. I know, becasue I was once one. Worker bees (marxists) like to slave away for the queen bee (Marx). Some things never change.

Oh btw, when I looked in the mirror, this morning, I was still Gary, not "Sharon" or "Perspective".

Back on topic, I will be watching for "The Ditch" to be released. I doubt that the socialists in this country will give it much credit, because they know that staying silent is their best defense againt the indefensible.


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 8:39 am

Gary/Sharon/Perspective

"It is interesting that you would recommend a book review by William Rusher, the essence of which is to argue that the search for communists in this country was well justified, and underpersued by Joe McCarthy. "
Once again you see only what you want to see--my posting was to show that it was not Eleanor Roosevelt that made the comment you atributed to her--that's all.

"Marxists have a bee in their bonnet. I know, becasue I was once one. Worker bees (marxists) like to slave away for the queen bee (Marx). Some things never change. "
Yes, we know you were a marxist and once you were a liberal--I guess you need to establish your bogus street cred in order to comment about how you know about so much

"Oh btw, when I looked in the mirror, this morning, I was still Gary, not "Sharon" or "Perspective". "
Ha, ha, ha.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 11:16 am

"search for communists in this country was well justified, and underpersued by Joe McCarthy."

I see Gary's finally facing some facts about his heroes. TG Joe did make a lot of noise and did a ton of collateral damage to noncommunists, but he nailed precious few actual commies. One might dismiss him as just another all-bluster Republican like Bush 43.

But, in the process, he gave anti-communism a very bad name. The pattern becomes clear. I expect he will someday be exposed as a very effective agent provocateur operating under very deep cover for the Comintern.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 12:24 pm

Paul,

I commented on a link that "back" provided. Here it is, again: Web Link . Read it, then comment.

back,

Eleanor has been reported to say that "communists are liberals in a hurry". That hardly excludes others of her ilk from making that truthful statement.

Back to the topic, guys: Are you eager to watch "The Ditch"? If not, why not?


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 12:27 pm

correct link from "back":

Web Link



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Posted by Small Dose
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm

""China is not socialist, it is communist totalitarian state." ... That is a distinction without much of a difference."

Staggering ignorance. You need to read up a little.

By that reasoning, I suppose you'll soon be taking the Republicans to task for the actions of the Nazis?


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 1:15 pm

No, Gary, do not put words in my mouth--that is the same link I originally posted from which I pulled a sentence ("As early as the late 1930s, even known Communists in government were often regarded by their colleagues as merely "liberals in a hurry." ") to show that Eleanor roosevelt never said what Gary claimed she did. Nothing else. Worship hypocrite/alcoholic Joe all you want. He was a disgrace.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 pm

small dose,

Just playing off your handle, to be cute, communists cut to the chase by pulling out a dagger and cutting your throat; socialists cut you a hundred small times. Either way, you bleed to death.

Socialism failed, because it peronalized the macroeconomic decision.

OK, enough of the socialist/communist stuff (very tiresome). Tell us what you think about "The Ditch", if you dare.


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 1:35 pm

"OK, enough of the socialist/communist stuff (very tiresome). Tell us what you think about "The Ditch", if you dare. "
Thanks for another laugh, Gary. Considering that the film just played at the Venice Film Festival and has not played in the US at all, it would be very hard for anyone to tell us what they thought of "The Ditch". Do you always tell people what you think about films/books etc without actually having seen them. No wonder you loved Sarah Palin so much


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Posted by Small Dose
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 8, 2010 at 1:43 pm

"Socialism failed."

Yes, that's "true" in the land of ignorance and political cant, where the teabaggers reside. Elsewhere it's just false. You are uninformed about the world....


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 5:16 pm

I don't blame you for trying to change the subject, Gary. You been duped by a commie. But you brought TG Joe up, I didn't.

Although McCarthy sacrificed a few used-up fellow travelers (who doubtlessly felt honored to make the final sacrifice for the cause anyway), he took out far greater numers of loyal, productive American public servants, damaging the state department and intelligence services almost beyond repair. He was working on trashing the American military when he stumbled. Wall Street would admire that kind of leverage.

And he did it all with superb efficiency - no trials, no habeas corpus, none of that liberal justice fluff. He just adroitly exploited the inexhaustable gullibility and boundless ignorance of the paranoid American nativist in a tour de farce of ideological judo that turned their boneheadedness against themselves. Woo-hoo.

Of more lasting value, TG Joe gave overt anti-communism a bad rep among the thinking class that persisted for 6 decades. I bet Stalin, Malenkov, Bulganin, and Khrushchev laughed themselves silly for years.

Then, like many Russian males of that era, Joe dies at a young age of alcoholism (vodka, perhaps?). What more proof do you want?

Or maybe you're not a commie dupe after all. Maybe you're working for them too. We all know commies are devious. They never show their cards. They try hard to appear to be exactly what they are not. How long you been a communist, Gary?


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 pm

I, for one, will watch "The Ditch" first chance I get.

Gary, you are absolutely correct on the sliding scale between socialism and communism, however don't expect socialists to see this.

Socialism: The belief that a government can and should take from the producers and distribute to the non-producers in the name of "fairness"

Communism: A belief that government can make outcomes equal for all in the name of "fairness" by controlling the production and distribution of goods.

The difference? Leave it to you all.

I look forward to the movie.




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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 7:41 pm

Glad to see that Perspective agrees with his other identity, Gary. Otherwise we mighthave had a "3 faces of Eve" thing going on here with Gary, Perspective and Sharon!!!


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 8, 2010 at 7:54 pm


We look forward to seeing the movie.
BTW Bobby Kennedy was a chief adviser to McCarthy and they purged many communists--- todays equivalents are people like Van Jones-- looks like Beck is the new, more effective and sober McCarthy--- good for him


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 10, 2010 at 3:28 pm

"How long you been a communist, Gary?"

Oh, roughly from about 1965 to 1972. A shameful thing, but that was me, and I cannot deny it. All I can say is that I learned from it, unlike you, Paul.

Back to the immediate issue: Any thoughts about "The Ditch"? It ain't here yet, but there are reviews out there, and it appears to render socialism for what it is, in human terms. Similar to "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich". BTW, did you know that socialists/liberals banned the production of "One Day in the Life..." from Hollywood? Seems that Solzhenitsyn was too radioactive, since he was anti-socialist.

Paul and other socialist travelers: What do you think "The Ditch" will illustrate? Come on, just take a guess....


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 10, 2010 at 3:43 pm

Gary/SHaron/perspective is getting his/her bio all mixed up----in other threads I believe that was the time you at one point told us you were a liberal and at another point told us you were in Vietnam--now you were conveniently a communist. BTW note that anyone that i snot in lock step with Gary is a a socialist/communist

"Any thoughts about "The Ditch"? It ain't here yet, but there are reviews out there, and it appears to render socialism for what it is, in human terms. "
Once again, Gary is playing games by asking for thoughts on a movie that he/she has not seen yet. But he has no problem buying what other people say about it--is that how you base your opinions on what others that agree with you say?

"BTW, did you know that socialists/liberals banned the production of "One Day in the Life..." from Hollywood? "
BTW, do you have any facts to support that claim?
Bet you Gary did not know this fact:
"A one-hour dramatization for television, made for NBC in 1963, starred Jason Robards Jr. in the title role and was broadcast on November 8, 1963."
Web Link
Whoops, Gary.

"Paul and other socialist travelers: What do you think "The Ditch" will illustrate? Come on, just take a guess.... "
No point in addressing the above comment--just Gary playing his games, including labelling of others and then needling them for not commenting on something they know nothing about=--Gary does not have that problem as shown above.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 10, 2010 at 4:18 pm

"Oh, roughly from about 1965 to 1972. A shameful thing, but that was me, and I cannot deny it. All I can say is that I learned from it, unlike you, Paul."

Maybe you were one of those miscellaneous Maoist hippies I used to argue with. So, what's the difference between a Maoist hippie and a contemporary self-styled "conservative"? Forty years, give or take.

Be sure to build that shrine to Comrade Joe.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 10, 2010 at 6:40 pm

My contemporary socialist aplogists are busy about their business, I see.

If you want to see how Hollywood was a den of socialist apologia, go to this site: Web Link

"One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" was rejected in Hollywood, and it was forced to be made abroad.

I can tell that the current socialist apologists want nothing to do with "The Ditch". Too hot to handle for the weak minded. Holocaust deniers have a way to bury their heads in the sands. I used to be that way. Shame on me. The real question is: When will they admit to their shame?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 10, 2010 at 8:01 pm


The movie will probably not be distributed by any US studio for political reasons-- however these days such films have a much more effective means of distribution --- which is eroding the Hollywood old monopoly.
Glenn Beck is doing a good job of exposing current communists like Van Jones and others and he has a great deal of popular support--
Reagan started out as a democrat until he discovered the communist rats who had invested the movie industry-- he saw the light and fought against them and their masters with victory.


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 11, 2010 at 10:08 am

"If you want to see how Hollywood was a den of socialist apologia, go to this site: Web Link"
As we can see, Gary takes anything that agrees with his viewpoint as the gospel truth.

"Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, 15 hours ago

My contemporary socialist aplogists are busy about their business, I see.

If you want to see how Hollywood was a den of socialist apologia, go to this site: Web Link

"One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" was rejected in Hollywood, and it was forced to be made abroad."
for a second time I will ask Gary (not that I expect him to provide it) for proof for this conjecture.

"Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, 15 hours ago

My contemporary socialist aplogists are busy about their business, I see.

If you want to see how Hollywood was a den of socialist apologia, go to this site: Web Link

"One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" was rejected in Hollywood, and it was forced to be made abroad.

"I can tell that the current socialist apologists want nothing to do with "The Ditch". "
This conjecture is based on what--your postings and a couple of replies on this forum?

"Too hot to handle for the weak minded. "
Belittle those that disagree with you--from who's playbook does that come from?

"Glenn Beck is doing a good job of exposing current communists like Van Jones and others and he has a great deal of popular support-- "
Gary's alter ego, Sharon, posts her take on the issue---Don't people in the USA have the right to be communists? Anyway, communists are not the enemy anymore---the cold war ended over a decade ago--the real enemy is Islamic terrorists. We want to be partners with the greatest communist country in the world--China.
BTW, the only thing Beck is exposing is his hypocrisy and his plan to make as much money as possible from the gullible masses like Sharon/Gary/Perspective.


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 11, 2010 at 10:10 am

Whoops--the above post should have been:

"If you want to see how Hollywood was a den of socialist apologia, go to this site: Web Link"
As we can see, Gary takes anything that agrees with his viewpoint as the gospel truth.


"One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" was rejected in Hollywood, and it was forced to be made abroad."
for a second time I will ask Gary (not that I expect him to provide it) for proof for this conjecture.

"I can tell that the current socialist apologists want nothing to do with "The Ditch". "
This conjecture is based on what--your postings and a couple of replies on this forum?

"Too hot to handle for the weak minded. "
Belittle those that disagree with you--from who's playbook does that come from?

"Glenn Beck is doing a good job of exposing current communists like Van Jones and others and he has a great deal of popular support-- "
Gary's alter ego, Sharon, posts her take on the issue---Don't people in the USA have the right to be communists? Anyway, communists are not the enemy anymore---the cold war ended over a decade ago--the real enemy is Islamic terrorists. We want to be partners with the greatest communist country in the world--China.

BTW, the only thing Beck is exposing is his hypocrisy and his plan to make as much money as possible from the gullible masses like Sharon/Gary/Perspective.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 11, 2010 at 4:43 pm

"Anyway, communists are not the enemy anymore---the cold war ended over a decade ago--the real enemy is Islamic terrorists. We want to be partners with the greatest communist country in the world--China."

Communists, fascists, islamic terrorists..all cut from the same cloth, all our enemy; tyranny (defined for those of you who don't know what this is, NOT a live and let live belief in God-given inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..NOT live and let live)

And, no, I am still not Gary...
Thus, all of the above are our enemy..all cut from the same cloth.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 11, 2010 at 4:43 pm

back,

That site I mentioned is a serious review of the Hollywood aversion to the socialist mass murder, torture and imprisonment, and the socialist cover-up of it, in this country.

I know that "One day in the life..." was rejected by Hollywood, because I was in attendance at leftist meetings where it was guaranteed that it would not be made here. This fact was reported in the press, in passing, at the time. The American left either ignored, or pushed offshore any serious anti-socialist movie. It understood that, at that time, a movie without a major Hollywood effort, would not receive a lot of eyeballs. The irony is that "One Day..." was too powerful to be completely ignored, thus it got some limited views in this country...then it got some legs, and some more eyeballs. Ya just can't kill the truth, hard as the lefties try.

Back to "The Ditch": Any lefties want to discuss the subject, or is it just too tough for your apologist minds?


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 11, 2010 at 5:07 pm

>> Back to "The Ditch": Any lefties want to discuss the subject,
>> or is it just too tough for your apologist minds?

Translation: anyone stupid enough to request more of my inane rudeness, close-mindedness and abuse?

It is evident from reading any one of your posts that you only want to shout out what you think and not "discuss".

Your schtick is all about preventing discussion and call that whatever you want it's certainly not American or democratic.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 11, 2010 at 5:09 pm

Or capitalist in the sense of the marketplace of ideas - heaven help you if you ever encounter an "idea" .. your head might explode.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 11, 2010 at 6:38 pm

Anon,

OK, let's have a nice little discussion here. What do think about the concept of mass socialist death, as suggested by "The Ditch"?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 11, 2010 at 8:51 pm

It is difficult to discus the movie until you see it--- is their a link?
Obviously the communist/new left/counter culture/ have dominated Hollywood-- but fortunately they do not breed-- so a new generation of film makers now beat them through new media.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 11, 2010 at 9:24 pm

>> Obviously the communist/new left/counter culture/ have dominated Hollywood

Not the movies I have been seeing. Not the movies playing around here.

>> What do think about the concept of mass socialist death,

I have no idea what that is or means. But I think you could not define terms of a discussion without building into it your negative point of view. Why don't you explain what it is you are talking about, and stick to being linear and sequential.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 12, 2010 at 9:00 am

Oh, I think I have been very linear and dequential.

"The Ditch" is a movie about Mao's mass death in China, under the socialist banner.

Why are you lefties so afraid to discuss the issue?


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 12, 2010 at 10:28 am

"That site I mentioned is a serious review of the Hollywood aversion to the socialist mass murder, torture and imprisonment, and the socialist cover-up of it, in this country."
Of course, Gary, it is a "Serious" review--you agree with the writer and take his word as the gospel truth.

"I know that "One day in the life..." was rejected by Hollywood, because I was in attendance at leftist meetings where it was guaranteed that it would not be made here."
of course you were--just like your claim that you were in Vietnam. Continue to ignore the fact that it was on NBC in the early 1960's.

"This fact was reported in the press, in passing, at the time."
Good, then provide that link to us.

"Back to "The Ditch": Any lefties want to discuss the subject, or is it just too tough for your apologist minds? "
Maybe you can "discuss" subjects you know nothing about, but most people will want to see the movie before talking about it.
Note, once again, the insults that are consistently in Gary's posts.
As Anon pointed out--Gary is not interested in a discussion.

"Why are you lefties so afraid to discuss the issue? "
What is the point of trying to discuss anything with you, Gary. You are only interested in trumpeting your views, while claiming to have been a leftist/liberal/communist/in Vietnam etc to bolster your bogus credentials. You are full of hot air.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 12, 2010 at 12:10 pm

>> Why are you lefties so afraid to discuss the issue?

Look at how you "discuss" this issue. You sound so juvenile. As I told you, I reject your connection that Mao was a socialist. Lots of things have been done in the name of lots of things. Hitler was supposedly a socialist too. 911 was done in the name of Islam. We invaded Iraq in the name of freedom and weapons of mass destruction.

You have your point of view and you can write about it here as mush as you want. That doesn't seem to make you happy, you have fight and bicker with someone about your definitions in your own mind and how right you are. I've read some of your posts. I disagree. I don't need to argue, and you show no signs of discussing anything - read your own posts and see for yourself.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm

What some may now have forgotten is that September 11 (in 1989) was the day on which the 'Iron Curtain' – the separation of communist Eastern Europe from the liberal capitalist West – was pierced, as the Hungarian government decided to open its borders with Austria, allowing thousands of East Germans to cross over to the West.
After that the Eastern European communist governments all collapsed within a short period of time, leading to a completely different world order.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm

Well, I suspect a lot of us at the Sacramento Tea Party today will watch this movie. It was HOT, but fun to around so many other folks who "get it", including Tammy Bruce and Lisa Fritsch. If you don't know either of them, look 'em up. They are both eloquent speakers and writers, and, for those of you who believe certain lies about us, the Tea Party, your mind will explode when you learn who these women are.

Back to the topic, I suspect that most of us hard working, used-to-be-silent-but-no-more majority, folks with kids who want to hand our kids at least as good as what we grew up in, will understand the point of this movie when we can get our hands on it, Gary.

A lot of former leftists there, Gary!


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

"A lot of former leftists there, Gary!"

Persective, doesn't surprise me...the brain is plastic, but it grows with age.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 13, 2010 at 5:31 am

Yes, usually. Reading a GREAT book on the middle aged mind, called, not surprisingly, the "Grown-up Brain" by Barbara Strauch. Recommend it. Nice reporting on the positives of the aging brain.

She also wrote "The primal teen" book about teen brains. Another good one.

Remember the old saying, a young conservative has no heart, but an old liberal has no brain? Lot of truth in that statement. Wisdom DOES count for something.

The kindest path is, in the end, conservative/libertarian. The fewest people get hurt from the fallout.

Tammy Bruce is a great example of an open mind that aged well. She is one of my heroes.

Back to the movie: Can't find it! Got this up and coming site called Libertas Film Magazine Web Link
and even they don't have it yet.

Any hints on where to get the movie?



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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 13, 2010 at 6:05 am

We have a "Three Faces of Eve" thing going on with Sharon/Gary/Perspective


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 13, 2010 at 7:48 am

Hee hee hee...

I had never thought of it before, but Tammy Bruce made GREAT point yesterday at the Tea Party rally in Sacramento: She said that the training "course" for leftists, which she was until a few years ago, is to make everyone who disagrees with them "doubt" themselves through personal destruction and denigration.

Seen it many times here on this board, and still seeing it.

Nice having leftists teach us how to battle leftists, given we "on th right" tend to simply believe in the intellgence of folks to hear facts and come to reasonable conclusions. I suspect we could learn a lot from Stalin and Mao on how to get our message across, but the idea of purposefully manipulating folks just SOO goes against who we are as a people.

Still looking for the movie.."reeducation" camps, huh...did they start with a government site for reporting your neighbor who disagreed with Mao? Or, perhaps, with someone from the government calling an individual and chastising them for their free speech act? ( For those not aware, our very own White House has done both since coming into power)


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 13, 2010 at 8:34 am

Love how Perspective been propagating his big myth for months now

"Or, perhaps, with someone from the government calling an individual and chastising them for their free speech act?"
I assume that Perspective is talking about the WH reaching out to the "minister" who was going to burn the Koran. Seems that Perspective now has a problem with people reaching out and talking to other people. Yes, it was a free speech issue and there are repercussions to be considered. The WH did not do anything to abrogate this person's fee speech rights.That is all the White House did. Seems that Perspective has a problem with civil dialogue between individuals--oh wait, the issue is that Obama is in the White House.
I guess Perspective also will attack General Petraeus for also speaking out about the planned Quarn burning

"( For those not aware, our very own White House has done both since coming into power)"
This is another myth perpetuated by Perspective--that there is some kind of phone line where you can call and "inform" on those that disagree with the White House. what a crock!!!

Clearly, Perspective's hatred of Obama is blinding him to reason and the facts. I wonder if when he/she is being the other "two faces of eve" , he/sheis the same way.

(BTW, Perspective--this thread is about the movie "the Ditch" not the rally in Sacramento yesterday--but hijacking threads is another trait shared by your other personalities)


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 13, 2010 at 9:08 am

No, I have a problem with GOVERNMENT intimidating citizens..that is the problem I have..be it through demonizing CEOs to calling a private citizen a "jerk", to asking you to report your neighbor who disagrees with Obamacare to calling on a private individual who wants to burn the American flag..oops, koran.

This is wrong, and "The Ditch" seems to be precisely about this issue. It begins with government squashing speech, and ends with re-education camps.

And 40 years from now we get a movie called "Ditch 2" about ReEd camps in the USA.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 13, 2010 at 9:12 am

BTW, here is the link to the "myth" that you speak about
Web Link

the link above is to the "flag at white house dot gov" site where back in 2009 Obama decided it would be cool to report anyone who disagrees with him.

Read it, and open your eyes.

Since then, with our uproar, it has been removed. But this was the original site.

Begins with this, ends with "Ditch 2"


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 13, 2010 at 9:28 am

Do not let the facts get in your way of fulminating about Obama:

from the link you posted:
"UPDATE: As part of our effort to push back on the misinformation about health insurance reform, we've launched WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck. It's full of videos and tools you can use to share the facts with your friends and family. Check it out.
Opponents of health insurance reform may find the truth a little inconvenient, but as our second president famously said, "facts are stubborn things.""

Nothing in the link about reporting people who disagree with Obama--it never existed (maybe there was a link were you could report distortions of the facts so that they could be addressed --the White House knows that people like yourself and your gods--Beck and Obama have no desire for facts). It is all part of the mythology that you blindly perpetuate about Obama being a muslim, not being an american setting up a website to report people who disagree with you


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Posted by Gary's back
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 13, 2010 at 10:30 am

The above sentence :

"the White House knows that people like yourself and your gods--Beck and Obama have no desire for facts"

should read: the White House knows that people like yourself and your gods--Beck and Limbaugh have no desire for facts


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