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by Steve, Old Palo Alto,
on Apr 15, 2010
Nothing in that article about Israel hating anything, let along Steve Jobs or Apple. I'm wondering why you had to make up some silly heading for your post ... do you have some point?
Obviously, the point is do not visit Israel with an Apple iPad.
These iPads weren't 'confiscated' in the way that that most governments do. They weren't allowed in because they apparently meet US but not Israeli/European Wi-Fi standards. The owners get them back when they leave. I would assume that other European nations may follow suit since they use the same Wi-Fi standard.
Apple apparently also makes iPads for the Israeli/European market that meet those standards.
No other country in the world is confiscating Apple iPads. And if you do want to get your iPad back when you leave, they will charge you a holding fee for each day you remain in Israel (the article does not say how much).
Apparently this ban is a big problem for Israeli software engineers, who are effectively banned from developing software for the Apple iPad.
What a strange heading for a post. I saw nothing in the article about Steve Jobs and any relationship he might have with Israel. Can who ever posted this explain the connection if there is one? If there is no connection, I think you need to consider the incendiary nature of such a statement and perhaps not put it out here.
Steve is looking to stir up trouble, he's very confused. Steve, do try to get out more.
The WSJ has insight into this matter,
the mid east is corrupt and bribery prevails along with nepotism-- two of Israels recent leaders are under indictment for corruption and nepotism as is lieberman, the foreign minister, who does not, in fact even live in Israel--
Obviously someone did not pay the required bribes
"Apple has long lacked a strong presence in Israel.
That began to change in late 2008, after Nehemia Peres, the son of Israeli President Shimon Peres, bought the company that has exclusive rights to sell Apple products in Israel, iDigital.
Israel's first Apple store opened in Tel Aviv in January 2009. iDigital couldn't be reached for comment about the ministry's decision to ban imports of the iPad."Web Link
There is a rumor going around that the Israels boycott of Apple is because Jobs is the wealthiest Arab American, who has a Syrian Muslim father.
While there are some extremist in Israel who hold this view, most Israelis like Apple products and cannot understand why European countries, who have the same WIFI protocols, allow the import of US i pads and Israel does not, in fact Israel confiscates the product, charges 1000s of dollars for storage-- potentially-- and who knows what else they do with the i pad, if they can hack passports in 20 minutes, as they did in the Dubai case, what will they do with the i pads
If Israel wants to be considered part of the civilized world they need come clean on human rights, freedom of the press, democracy, torture and nuclear activity.
Obama has made his " A Bicycle Build For Two" Policy clear-- let us move forward on implementing it--
Israel already is part of the civilized world, there is no question anywhere about whether they are "considered part of the civilized world."
Get a grip. Do you think their economy is based on oil or other raw materials?
Some people listen to KPFA too much.
Please note the following errors regarding her posts above:
1) She does link to a WSJ site, but adds items to make it look like they came from the WSJ article
2) lieberman, the foreign minister, who does not, in fact even live in Israel-- (bogus, not true)
3) Obviously someone did not pay the required bribes (also bogus--no evidence to back up this claim)
4) There is a rumor going around that the Israels boycott of Apple is because Jobs is the wealthiest Arab American, who has a Syrian Muslim father. (this is an invention of Sharons==something is noted for--making up "facts")
5) charges 1000s of dollars for storage (bogus charge)
6) if they can hack passports in 20 minutes, as they did in the Dubai case, what will they do with the i pads (no proof for this either, unless you believe a police force that was made a fool of and is looking for scapegoats)
7) If Israel wants to be considered part of the civilized world they need come clean on human rights, freedom of the press, democracy, torture and nuclear activity. (note that Israel is the only real democracy in the middle east and has freedom of the press--you can all of the criticism on Israel's policies that emanates from within the country in the Israeli press. Sharon has always had something against ISrael, so this comment is to be taken with a grain of salt)
8) Obama has made his " A Bicycle Build For Two" Policy clear- (there is no such policy. This has been made up by Sharon and has appeared in numerous threads on this forum.
The Israeli customs charge NIS 15 = $4.05 per day for storage of confiscated i pads
Last week they confiscated 20, now it is up to 40
The storage total fees are now $1,200 per month and increasing with every new confiscation
Facts are facts
Sharon, are you saying the total cost to all visitors for the whole country are storage fees of $1200/month?
@clarify, a resident of the Embarcadero Oaks/Leland neighborhood
Do the math--
All the other statements in our posts are equally true and valid
Those who want to refute them need to provide evidence
Re--- freedom of the press, all reports in Israel have to be approved by military censors-- the latest case involves a reporter under house arrest and another one seeking sanctuary in the UK Web Link
lieberman lives in an illegal settlement in the West Bank
"Lieberman, a resident of the illegal Israeli settlement of Noqedim in the occupied Palestinian territory of the West Bank, chairs the far-right Yisrael Beiteinu Party (Israel Is Our Home, in English), which he founded in 1999.
It was not immediately clear how or if an ongoing corruption investigation would affect Lieberman's appointment to the foreign minister post. Israeli police allege the former Knesset member illegally received millions of shekels while serving as an MK, which is illegal under Israeli law. "Web Link
"Do the math--'
We did the math--$4.05/day--a 10 day stay would be $40.50. Not the thousands of dollars you state. AS I stated and others commented, your math is fuzzy.
"All the other statements in our posts are equally true and valid"
Who is this "our"?
"Those who want to refute them need to provide evidence"
That is funny. You make false statements, claim that they are factual and then tell us to provide evidence?
Clarify and Good Job, SHaron.--Good to see that Sharon has not fooled you with her factoids, innuendo and lies.
"Re--- freedom of the press, all reports in Israel have to be approved by military censors-- the latest case involves a reporter under house arrest and another one seeking sanctuary in the UK Web Link"
Not all reports. This is an extreme case involving potential treason. Same thing occurs in many countries. Care to tell us which other Middle Eastern country has freedom of the press?
"lieberman lives in an illegal settlement in the West Bank"
It is not an "illegal" settlement for Israel. He is an Israeli citizen, living in an Israeli settlement.
"It was not immediately clear how or if an ongoing corruption investigation would affect Lieberman's appointment to the foreign minister post. Israeli police allege the former Knesset member illegally received millions of shekels while serving as an MK, which is illegal under Israeli law. "Web Link"
Of course, the question is what does Lieberman have to do with this thread on iPads and Israel? Answer--nothing. But if you have followed Sharon's posts you will know she has a bone to pick with Israel and has been incredibly harsh in her comments re Lieberman.
Funny stuff. I find it interesting that only iPads are affected.
From the story: "As the Israeli regulations in the area of WiFi are similar to European standards, which are different from American standards, which permit broadcasting at lower power, therefore the broadcast levels of the device prevent approving its use in Israel," said the officials.
OK if this is true and the reporter is reporting the facts then many other devices would fall under this definition. I suspect there is more to this story than what is being reported here. Let's see if there is a follow-up story that can clear up the facts.
Wavie form--could just be extra caution over a completely new piece of equipment that the authorities are not familiar with
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