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Anyone been on a plane since Christmas?

Original post made by Flyer on Jan 3, 2010

Anyone feel like giving their experience of the new safety measures?

We have allowed the terrorists to take away our freedoms to fly as we used to and they continue to succeed in making it more miserable for us. Is this really as bad as the media is portraying?

Comments (34)

Posted by pa resident, a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jan 3, 2010 at 7:46 pm

I flew in from New York yesterday (and are my arms tired!) and there were no additional security measures. As a matter of fact, the security line was quite short, and the whole thing was as simple and easy as ever. I think the additional security may only be for flights coming in from outside the US, but the domestic flights are unchanged.


Posted by Me Too, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 3, 2010 at 8:35 pm

Flew to/from Florida with my kids, didn't notice anything new. Lines were not over-long and moved quicly. We went 2.5 hours before flight time, and were to the gate with 1.75 hours to spare. Flights were full, but everyone was cheery and things went fine.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 am

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In WWII, victory was made possible by destroying the enemy's war material factories. In Korea it was destroying the Bridges across the Yalu. In Vietnam it was interdicting the Ho Chi Min Trail and mining Haiphong Harbor.
We need to openly affirm that our enemy is Islamic Extremely, and that they are abetted by coreligionists who indoctrinate, train and sponsor the attacks on us.
We then need to define religion as a voluntary spiritual association that eschews temporal power.
Then we need to hunt down and destroy anyone who advocates or facilitates attacks on us.
TSA is our Maginot Line.


Posted by Joe Crippen, a resident of another community
on Jan 4, 2010 at 9:11 am

United Airlines - Canada to SFO.

1) No Backpacks allowed on board.

2) Tripple search
#1. metal detector #2. wand search #3. physical search - everyone.

3) UAL said to show up 3 hrs early only problem is that US Customs only opens 2 hours early. Must be some kind of Janet Napolitano timing.

Bottom line 3 hours at the airport for a 2 hour flight.

I have a problem with the lack of security, when the terrorist's father notifies the US Government his kid is programed by radicals to kill american then the US Government better get their act together and do their job.

The people who let all of us down in the US Government must be fired.


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 4, 2010 at 10:06 am

We were at SFO early Sunday AM, putting family members on a flight, expecting a busy travel day, but conditions were better than usual in terms of crowds and security lines.

THEN we heard on the radio that "at midnight security would be increased at SFO" in the form of increased body pat downs. I think it would be better if they went ahead and more promptly increased security (after terrorist attacks) or did more spot checks, rather than announce specific new measures in a slow fashion.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2010 at 4:40 am

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Joe, I suspect the reason few Civil Servants are fired for screwups is the practice of keeping a Pearl Harbor File.


Posted by Easypeasy, a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 5, 2010 at 8:20 am

Flight from Asia before New Years. Triple search, including patdown of everyone at the gate. Efficiently managed. Were told we needed 3 hours, but 2 was sufficient. Flight departed 20 minutes late.

Walter,

"...victory was made possible ... [i]n Korea it was destroying the Bridges across the Yalu. In Vietnam it was interdicting the Ho Chi Min Trail and mining Haiphong Harbor."

Victory in Korea? Vietnam? What have you been reading?


Posted by Joe Crippen, a resident of another community
on Jan 5, 2010 at 9:29 am

The problem I have is why we Americans must give up our freedom our privacy over the killers who want us dead.

I would like all the people from the countries that have attacked us to either all be prohibited from flying to our nation or provide special planes where they all can fly naked.

I have had enough of these complete incompetent bureaucrats who have no clue as to what they are doing. The factual evidence has come in over and over they are not up to the job.

We pay these people in Washington DC billions in taxes to do a job they simply can not do efficiently or effectively.

I am not rushing to judgment it is just I have run out of tolerance and find it unacceptable to have to think every flight may be the last because of someone's insane ideas.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2010 at 9:43 am

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Easypeasy, look at a night satellite picture of Korea; Below the DMZ, an ocean of lights, above, a swamp of the darkness I helped keep away from the South. We won in Vietnam until the Democrats ceded the land to the other commies.


Posted by Revisionist, a resident of another community
on Jan 5, 2010 at 9:51 am

Love Walter's revisionist history--wasn't the plan to defeat the "swamp of the darkness"? Didn't Nixon and Ford cede "the land to the other commies"?
Oh Walter, if only people knew the truth about your real service in Korea


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2010 at 10:32 am

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Our initial entry into Korea was to repel the invasion, which we accomplished. Anyone interested can drop by and see my DD 214 subject to a reasonable gratuity.
A Democrat congress reneged on our treaty obligations to aid the People of South Vietnam while Chinese and Russian aid continued, and the dominoes fell.


Posted by Easypeasy, a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 5, 2010 at 10:41 am

Walter,

A victory in Korea would have left a unified Korea to determine its own future. As it turned out, we left the North in the hands of the Chinese and a Great Lunatic.

We lost Vietnam under democrats and republicans. Ho defeated us.

Not sure what propaganda book you're reading from.


Posted by Revisionist, a resident of another community
on Jan 5, 2010 at 10:44 am

"Anyone interested can drop by and see my DD 214 subject to a reasonable gratuity."

These days, you can get anything on the internet, including a DD214.

"A Democrat congress reneged on our treaty obligations"

But weren't Nixon and Ford the Commanders-in-Chief? I see, Walter, they were just innocent bystanders, who had no power to oppose the evil democrats

"the dominoes fell"
Actually they did not--but that is not a part of your revisionist history

Poor Walter--an early chicken hawk and sunshine patriot.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 5, 2010 at 11:48 am

"I have had enough of these complete incompetent bureaucrats who have no clue as to what they are doing."

I predicted this in 2002 when Bush was cobbing the Department of Homeland Security together with baling wire and bubble gum. Where did he get the notion he could solve a problem by throwing bureaucracy at it? Good thing that Ronald Reagan didn't live to see this.


Posted by Flyer, a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 5, 2010 at 1:22 pm

I was wondering when someone would start blaming Bush for this.

Why not blame the incompetency of the present security system for not listening to the father of the attempted bomber?

How this can have happened is beyond me. And how not having a blanket or book on his lap would have prevented the attempt is also beyond me. Preventing future attempts by this method is like bolting the stable door after the horse has already left. The various components of the bomb should never have got on the plane in the first place.

Making us all take our underwear off before getting on a plane would make more sense than preventing us from reading a book or allowing a child to play with a toy for the last hour of a flight. Isn't there anyone with some common sense in charge?

(And I don't think we should all be made to take off our underwear).


Posted by Commander McBragg, a resident of another community
on Jan 5, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Once more I have to point out the fact that when we left Vietnam, in 1972, there was a truce and a country called South Vietnam. Years after we left, the communists broke the truce and invaded the south, again. They defeated South Vietnam, not the U. S. The people who defeated the U. S. were the anti-American communist supporters in out own country who protested our being involved. And that's only if you consider the one-party system to be a victory, which I don't.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 5, 2010 at 2:18 pm

"I was wondering when someone would start blaming Bush for this."

OK, I admit a tendency to belabor the obvious.

Yes, this is just another Bush mess that Obama needs to clean up, but he's been very busy stabilizing the huge economic stinkpile that Bush also left us with, not to mention dealing with Bush's botched wars and their fallout, of which this latest terror episode is a part.

And you gotta admit this terror stuff has leverage. Look at what bin Laden accomplished with an army of 19. Look at how this one guy from Yemen sandbagged the global transportation industry. Hitler had to mobilize millions to get like effects.

Our biggest enemy is our own fear and gullibility, of which the terrorists are blessed with an abundance.


Posted by Easypeasy, a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm

Commander,

It was more than a cease-fire, it was a peace accord. And the North began their massive assault within six months, not "years." So I have to point out the fact that the Paris accords were just a face-saving gesture by Nixon when it became clear that the North had defeated us.

It's correct that our defeat did not come on the battlefield but in the hearts and minds--of the American people who did not support the war being pushed by politicians and generals. Giap won the propaganda battle and thereby defeated us. It was clear to most Americans at the time that we were fighting an unjust war.

Interesting that for you anyone opposed to the war was an anti-American communist. Takes me back to "America, Love It or Leave It" bumper stickers. You should think about the other one from that era: "Trust No-one in Authority."


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2010 at 3:39 pm

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"Poor Walter--an early chicken hawk and sunshine patriot."
I volunteered for the Army, spent 11 months in Korea with the 2nd Infantry Division; I would have accepted some sunshine at Kunu Ri [Ask Charlie Rangel(D-NY) about Kunu Ri, I saved his life there] picked up 5 Battle Stars, a CIB, 2 PUCs and a KPUC, plus malaria. Anyone who denies that a democrat controlled congress cut off all funding for promised military assistance to South Vietnam, has gall to call others revisionist.
None of the balderdash against my initial assertions invalidates my Maginot line comment.
To those who see a partisan motive behind my comments, I agree that Nixon could have done more to convince congress to keep our promise of aid, and I have previously noted my dislike for policies of Ike and Reagan that contributed to today's difficulties. Bush's big blunder was using the term bring to justice, instead of defeat. Waging war is not a crime, it is war.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 5, 2010 at 5:04 pm

Yes, Walter, I agree Nixon was ineffectual in his dealings with Congress. He even quit his job rather than down a Democratic Congress, like he had quit on the South Vietnamese earlier while he paled around with the Communists Chau En-lai and Mao Tse-tung, neighbors of Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap.

Congress and the American people it represented got fed up with being lied to, and they pulled the plug on the liars. Everyone knew Nixon's "Peace with Honor" was Nixonese meaning "cut and run."

Eisenhower accomplished the same thing with his Korean armistice, but he packaged his surrender much better.

Face it: if you fought a war under a Republican administration in the 20-th sentury, you wasted your time.


Posted by Fantasy, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm

Commander mcbragg-- were you walter's commanding officer when he was in Korea? So tell us the truth-- was he on kp or latrine duty? Are not all of his claims about saving lives and medals all a fantasy?


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2010 at 1:33 am

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Paul, the Kissinger policy was to throw small countries off the sled to slow the advance of the wolves.
I fought my war under a Democrat administration.
Fanta, Commander is a Navy rank, I was in the Army. In combat the latrine is the entrenching tool, and at least in my unit there was no KP assignment. I did my share of sentry duty. I make no claim to heroism, but I did my assignments. Incidentally, the decorations I mentioned were unit, not individual.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2010 at 9:20 am

"Paul, the Kissinger policy was to throw small countries off the sled to slow the advance of the wolves."

Indeed. Kissinger was a perfect conservative Republican, sacrificing the weak to avoid facing the problem.

"I fought my war under a Democrat administration."

Then you at least had hope. Too bad the Repubs got in then and wasted all your hard work.


Posted by Commander McBragg, a resident of another community
on Jan 6, 2010 at 10:00 am

When you're "anti-war", but you are only protesting the American involvement, not the other guys, that's anti-American. Especially when one seems to be happy about America being "defeated".


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2010 at 11:40 am

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Paul, watch it. This is the second time you got something right.
One reason I am not a republican was Ike's "If elected I will go to Korea and end the war" - a statement that no doubt prolonged that war. Panmunjom played to the communist strength, the phony negotiation.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2010 at 1:31 pm

Watch it yourself, Walter. That's the second time you haven't disputed the truth.

"When you're "anti-war", but you are only protesting the American involvement, not the other guys, that's anti-American."

That's a very applicable statement - to the Third Reich, the Soviet Union, the Peoples' Republic of China, the German Democratic [sic] Republic, the Democratic [sic] People's Republic of Korea, Myanmar, and all other repressive regimes. In America, which is still a democracy despite dogged Republican efforts, the people have a voice about war.

Now, in light of my rare concurrence with Walter above, do you think President Dwight David Eisenhower, five-star general of the US Army (ret.), and anti-Korean War, was anti-American?


Posted by Revisionist, a resident of another community
on Jan 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm

Well put, Paul. Commander McBragg's comments are ridiculous and therefore he is demoted to Seaman McBragg. Walter Wallis should also be ashamed of himself for claiming to have won all kinds of commendations and then, when he realized that people would know they were not individual commendations, made a statement that they were unit commendations. Who knows what else of his Korean War stories are made up.


Posted by sigh, a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jan 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm

Why does every thread get derailed by people like Walter Wallis and turned into a political debate?


Posted by Fantasy, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2010 at 6:13 pm

[Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 7, 2010 at 2:20 am

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When a problem is political in nature any discussion is necessarily political.
Paul, I believe Ike was a fool to have promised to end the war, and he planted the seeds of our current middle East problems when he entered the Suez war on Egypt's side. His comment about the Military-Industrial complex was ungracious for a commander whose victory would have been impossible without our Military-Industrial capability.
Rev, until I see your birth certificate I must assume you are an impertinent illegitimate.
Unlike you, I do not attack from the cowardice of anonymity. Unlike you I offer documentation of my experiences. Your "Poor Walter--an early chicken hawk and sunshine patriot." slur needed a response and got one. Ask Rangel about November 26, 1950 when his Nickel-o-trey spiked their canons and waded across the CHONG-CHON River in -35 degree weather. Minus 35 is misery - minus 35 and wet is fatal, so I gave my turn in a warmup tent to him. See S.L.A.M.'s "The River and the Gauntlet for a somewhat dramatized description of the Kunu Ri operation.


Posted by Revisionist, a resident of another community
on Jan 7, 2010 at 6:24 am

"Rev, until I see your birth certificate I must assume you are an impertinent illegitimate."
Walter--what does my birth certificate have to do with anything?
We are talking about you claiming to have won medals and then back tracking and admitting that they were unit citations. Once you start making up war stories, one can question everything you claim about Korea. we always read/hear about people inflating their service record.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 7, 2010 at 11:29 am

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I made no assertion to having won medals. Your implication that battle stars, unit citations and the Combat Infantry Badge are of no significance shows your ignorance of the concept of Army. Individual citations above my own Commendation Medal are for above and beyond, a claim I do not make for my service.
I have offered to document my claims, so put up or shut up.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 7, 2010 at 1:00 pm

"His [Ike's] comment about the Military-Industrial complex was ungracious for a commander whose victory would have been impossible without our Military-Industrial capability."

Ike was pointing out that the country had turned from "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" to "Pass the Lord and praise the ammunition." He wasn't sure that was healthy.


Posted by Revisionist, a resident of another community
on Jan 7, 2010 at 1:36 pm

"I made no assertion to having won medals."
You stated: "I would have accepted some sunshine at Kunu Ri [Ask Charlie Rangel(D-NY) about Kunu Ri, I saved his life there] picked up 5 Battle Stars, a CIB, 2 PUCs and a KPUC".
Note that you did not, at that time,say we or our unit.

"Your implication that battle stars, unit citations and the Combat Infantry Badge are of no significance shows your ignorance of the concept of Army.'
I made no such comment--I just pointed out that you made it sound like they were personal commendations and the backtracked.


"I have offered to document my claims, so put up or shut up."
We still live in a democracy, despite your best efforts, Walter. If you do not like my comments, than ignore them. Still want documents to show my legitimacy?


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