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Eshoo: No plans for health care town hall?

Original post made on Aug 18, 2009

As people pack town hall meetings across the country on plans for health care reform, Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Menlo Park, has not announced plans to hold a similar meeting with her constituents during Congress' August recess.

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Posted by Don G., a resident of Community Center
on Aug 18, 2009 at 12:01 pm

This does not surprise me since there is a fairly large portion of residents who are seniors which have been a majority of those who have been vocal at town hall meetings across the country.

There is NO money available to fund this major overhaul of how the USA handles healthcare funding and healthcare insurance. I don't think Rep Eshoo wants to hear what we have to say. It's her way (along with her cronies) or the highway.

Posted by Kate, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 18, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Specific questions to Anna Eshoo's office here are not answered and neither are phone calls. The voice on the other end sounds "bored". Anna Eshoo does what Nancy Pelosi tells her to do. It could get a little dicey in the Old Girls' Club in Washington if she did not - like prize committee appointments and who gets invited to lunch. No, Anna does not want to hear what people say. Jackie Speier did it with a phone-in Town Hall Meeting but not face to face. When is the next Congressional election?

Posted by anon., a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm

A phone in or webcast meeting sounds good to me. i don't know what i would do if i saw people showing up with guns in Palo Alto.

Seniors are a trusting lot, many of them with health problems and are manipulated to be scared by absurd lies from the Republicans.

They already have their health care ... it is hypocrisy if they accept Medicare and do not want to extend it to others without medical insurance.

People want single payer when you ask them, it is simple to understand, easy to implement and does not mess with the health delivery system already in place or get between you and your doctor.

Posted by simple simon, a resident of Stanford
on Aug 18, 2009 at 2:31 pm

>People want single payer when you ask them, it is simple to understand, easy to implement and does not mess with the health delivery system already in place or get between you and your doctor.

If you say so, in one sentence, then why is HR 3200 over 1,017 pages long?

Even the tile has an forbidding sound especially the last 4 words.

HR 3200 "To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes."

Just in case a simple simon like me wanted to read the facts or search the bill here it is: Web Link

Posted by katie, a resident of Stanford
on Aug 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm

Don G - there was no money to fund the war in Iraq either. It's a question of priorities. I am happy for my tax dollars to go toward something fair and just, i.e., health care for all. I have been hoping that Eshoo would have a town hall meeting so I could go to support the cause.

Posted by whytherush, a resident of Meadow Park
on Aug 18, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Health care for all sounds wonderful and who can oppose it? But the devil is in the details. 1000 pages and our representatives just vote yes without reading it? Without explaining how this will affect our lives?

Government health care sounds like it will have an over bearing reach in our lives. More detailed records of our health which is impacted by the things we do -- eat right, stay fit, avoid drugs, etc. Sure you'll be free to opt out -- but then you'll have reduced or no medical care.

We need to know the details before this gets passed.

Posted by Don G., a resident of Community Center
on Aug 18, 2009 at 4:28 pm

It doesn't matter to Rep. Eshoo what her district wants, she will vote like Rep. Eric Massa of New York who said he would vote for what HE thinks is right even if 80% of his district disagrees with him. It doesn't matter if its Healthcare reform or stimulus money, or the HSR--it's all the same to them. See link:

Web Link

It boils down to the arrogance of elected officials who think they are smarter, better, than the average people they represent. As long as they can stay in power by their special interest supporters, that all they care about. It's time we send them packing and tell them we're not going to continue to have our freedom's erroded by arrogant bureaucrats.

Posted by Toady, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 18, 2009 at 9:17 pm

"Seniors are a trusting lot, many of them with health problems and are manipulated to be scared by absurd lies from the Republicans."

Yeah, keep thinking that. It's always easier to belittle people who don't agree with you than actually engaging the discussion.

Posted by anon., a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 19, 2009 at 1:49 am

Toady ... i am not belittling anyone, I have been taking care of my mother and working with and around seniors for a long time, so I know what I'm talking about. What does being manipulated and scared have to do with agreeing with me anyway? When seniors show up at these town hall meeetings and say "don't kill me" I think they have been lied to and manipulated.

Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2009 at 6:45 am

Anon. If you are caring for your mother, then allow me to assure you that even without this proposed massive destruction of our health care in this country, your health care as a senior will not be as good as your mother's. Medicare is going broke, Social Security is going broke. We have over 50 Trillion in unfunded liabilties between SS, Medicare and Medicaid already.

OK, now connect the dots a bit. If it will already be worse for you under the current plan, how on earth do you think it will be BETTER than this for your mother, or you, if we add yet more to the unfunded liabilities of our nation?

Simple, really. Cut care. Do like all the other countries that have tried this have done...cut care. Stop mammograms for over 65, since nobody will fund care for breast cancer for those old fogies anyway. Don't build enough nursing homes, since there are no funds, for the ill aged, with Alzeimer's for example, forcing their 86 year old spouses to care for them while they wait 2 years for a bed. Don't invent new medicines or surgeries or devices to ease the pain and costs too much. The only ones who will be able to have anything that actually prolongs life are those who are younger than 50 or so..everyone else is a waste of money, since that pot of money has to go for the most productive members.

I realize you don't want to believe it, but just look at the numbers in every other country..look at Canada, England, France. They have been quoted on these pages many, many times, so I won't repeat them now. But ask yourself one question: Why are there so many cancer and heart treatment facilities JUST on this side of the border with Canada? And where will WE go for these denied and delayed treatments when the last great system is destroyed?

If the Dems force this through, they are in for a HUGE shock. They don't realize that they got to power through drummed up ignorant hate of Repubs, ( and Congress never stops to think about why their numbers began to plummet, always worse than Bush's, after the Dems took control in 2006), and through sychophantic, penance-filled but racist adoration of a pretty, cool "star" man...NOT because USA wants to go Socialist.

If I weren't so concerned about the lasting damage to our economy, and the future for opportunity for our kids in this country, I would wish they would succeed in what they want to do, just to hear the screams of outrage as Americans started losing their choices in health care options.

Posted by Toady, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 19, 2009 at 7:19 am

Calling things "lies" by those "Republicans" is the typical simple-minded use of labels to try to demonize the opposition. Oh, and I guess it's an inconvenient truth that opposition also happens to include some, ahem, Democrats. Drat, those Blue Dogs.

To flip it the other way, I could say, well, those Democrats, all they want to do lie and manipulate minorities by pretending to do what's in their best interest, when in fact, from their limos, they want to continue to keep them in the underclass. And I know this because I'm around Democrats all the time.

See how ridiculous it sounds? Well, actually, about Pelosi and Murtha... maybe I'm not so far from the truth :-)

Posted by Mike, a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:46 am

Its the Democrats way, and for them it has worked pretty well up to now. Take a few very smart but ideologically extreme party leaders and manipulate a very large mass of uninformed and under educated party members for votes and financial contributions. And it helps to keep them needy down on the Democratic Plantation so they will continue to rally around every instruction from their leaders.

It is incomprehensible to liberals to encounter strong pushback occurs from anywhere, which is seldom in their own party. So they counter all opponents by applying labels like 'ignorant', 'liars', 'corporate backed' or 'evil mongers'. Yes, the Democrats (in this case Harry Reid)in their rush to label protesters of government run health care are now using a variant of the 'evil' term they once laughed at George Bush about.

These 'retired' people who show up as a part of town hall rallies are sadly the last remaining representatives of a generation characterized by backbone, ethics and principals. They for the most part do not believe in entitlement, but do expect that their own hard work over the years of their careers resulting in contributions to community and government should not be dissipated in a socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

That generation gave generously to charities and community service as their own effective version of 'spreading the wealth.' Now they are the object of ridicule by liberals and the left.

Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:57 am

Web Link

A link, above, by Bloomberg News, a completely open to the public site, so no copyright infringement concerns.

Common sense understanding of the fundamental problem with govt run health care ..using Pres Obama's own example of the USPS, and his own words on economics and what they reveal.

If you won't believe the "right wing nuts", try listening to what Pres Obama is saying.

BTW, it isn't simply the "retired" showing up at Town Hall meetings, it is many of those of us in our 50s who are realizing that we have been sold a bill of goods. We've worked for the last 30 to 40 years, paid into a system of Medicare and Social Security, and now are realizing that both of these systems are completely broke and unsustainable already, and we would have been better off putting all of our funds away into private accounts. Even losing 30% of our retirement funds in the last couple years still leaves us with a heck of a lot more realized from our investment than ANYTHING that will come from what we put into the "public options" for retirement and health care.

For those of you who say the aged are easy to scare abd manipulate, I agree...why do you think that AARP exists and is always OPENLY working toward the Socialist Democrat goals? This is why I will not join the AARP, they constantly work against the good of my children and grandchildren. Many of us are waking up to this. I just heard of the American Senior Association, or something like that, which works for the benefit of all of us..gonna look into it.

Posted by simple simon, a resident of Stanford
on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:37 am

Instead of labels, insults or other harsh comments why don't the promoters discuss the facts. It is my belief that Eshoo will not discuss this bill for the simple reason is it is more a labor contract imposed on doctors and laws to control your health arrangement with your doctor.

Read the bill. Web Link

One more thing in the HR 3200 bill, printed on the 1,017 pages and 213,000 plus words the following words are *never* used.

>>> freedom - independence - liberty <<<

Posted by anon., a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:43 pm

Typical tactics, take a subject and make it supposedly about liberty, independence and freedom when you don't have anything useful today. When all else fails disrupt, and brandish your weapons. Talk about socialism and communism.

Why is it that national health care works for the rest of the supposedly not as rich and free countries? Why is it that the socialism countries are starting to pull out of the economic mess and show growth while that is quite a ways away in the US.

Why is it that the claim is that social programs are going broke but the Republicans constantly have to give refund taxes to the richest 1%, and spend on wars and drive the economy into the ground to not only remove all extra cash, but make it so the richest 1% get to "lend" the government money instead of paying taxes, and get paid interest, and them claim we are overtaxes and unable to afford to care for our citizens.

Finally, why do the Republicans have no alternative plan to fix health care. Do they not recognize there is a problem?

Posted by seniordem, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 20, 2009 at 9:12 am

Anon you are right to say Republicans should have an alternative plan if they criticize Obama's plan. I voted for Obama but some of the measures coming out of Obama's health plan are scary. I'm a senior and do not want my health care provider to tell me, sorry, I'm too old for treatment. Looks to me like all us baby boomers will get short changed and the savings will go to shore up SSN and Medicare. I'm a fan of SSN and Medicare, but those programs are in trouble -- fix them first to show the government can be responsible. Don't fix them by denying the elderly health care!

Posted by anon., a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 20, 2009 at 9:47 am

Americans are getting shafted by all this mess.

I recall the footage in the movie SickO of President Nixon who apparently set up the plan we have today talking about how the profit comes from taking in money and denying care.

That's bad enough, but over time we have morphed to where if you do not have insurance you are punished unless you are in some kind of special group. It's totally unfair that someone without insurance has to pay on average 6 times more for a medical procedure. It is effectively forcing Americans to take part in a private monopoly.

So, if I did not have insurance and I needed an operation I have to pay 6 times more than someone with insurance, how is that a free market or capitalism? It is not, but no one will come out and say that because the system is built on unreality. It is just wink-wink to those who have, and confusion to those who do not, and just enough charity insurance and hope to keep a full revolt from happening. How is this the land of the free and the home of the brave?

I think the debate would be helped for someone to explain that the function of health insurance is to monopolize the health care system and limit health care by money.

We pay highly for being able to ignore what is now estimated between 30-50 million people, and we actually reward the health insurance industry for doing that.

The country does not benefit from having these weird systems that are not explained to the public except in marketing terms, let's get to the heart of the matter, explain things they way they are and fix problems instead of obfuscating what is happening and maintaining the status quo by confusion.

The whole thing is so Orwellian, and it is just like the kind of thing that happened with a wink and a nod to keep black people down when slavery became technically illegal.

Posted by anon., a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 20, 2009 at 10:03 am

SeniorDem ... the Republicans since Reagan have had the object of running up high debts to create this phony argument that we cannot afford social programs. Before we had these debts we had the Republicans talking about how Europe would disintegrate because of their socialism, but Europe is in a better position than we are in most respects. Republicans are probably afraid that social programs will work so well that Americans will demand more of them and soak the rich. At least that would be honest, but we are nowhere near that, and the "rich" are not living up to their responsibilities to the country regards, infrastructure, schools, services, etc, and we are in decline.

The European countries are starting to return to economic growth, whereas because of this artificial bloodsucking the Republicans have institutionalized to choke the government and drag it down the US will be in recession for a longer time.

The stated goals of the Republicans are to make the government not work. The thing we hear is that government doesn't do anything right ... well, they make sure of that from the inside. There is no point in Obama attempting to be bi-partisan because at some point when they get the chance Republicans will throw a monkey wrench into the works to sabotage the system and blame it on government. Most of these new Conservative Repubicans are not politicians, they are operatives to prevent government from working. In reality it is people that make mistakes, private or public sector, it is just inevitable.

With social security first it was the Viet Nam war that drained the social security money. Maybe that was the total reason for that war because they did not seem to be any other reason for it. Then we had Reagan's patriotic tax breaks that ran up the biggest budget deficits in history by cutting taxes on corporations and the very rich. Reagan was the first to justify limiting government, but it never works so we have Bush who really cut America's legs off. Bush at exactly the wrong time gave the top 1% a big rebate of their taxes calling it a surplus when we were 6 billion in debt and skyrocketed the debt instead of paying it down responsibly.

All we hear is doublespeak, and the media did nothing to call him on it. How is this any kind of representation of the people?

Posted by Mike, a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 20, 2009 at 7:51 pm

You need to check the facts you use to support your arguments. The Vietnam War was not a Republican scheme to drain money that could be used for other purposes. Kennedy (remember-a Democrat?)got us solidly in that war, and LBJ pushed the pedal to the floor.

With McNamara's recent death, much has been written recently about his role in the war in both administrations.

Posted by seniordem, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 21, 2009 at 8:54 am

Anon you are getting way off the subject. I want to know the details of the health bill -- 1000 pages that most representatives passed without reading is not democracy. There are many democrats like myself who have questions. You seem to think that anyone who questions this health bill is wrong (and most likely a wealthy Repub). But looks like it will impact the care of most seniors to cut costs.

Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2009 at 7:38 am

Senior Dem..the Republicans DO have a plan. It is almost what I wrote. Here is the link. I don't agree with all of it, but it is a heck of a lot more full of promise to fix the real problems than the Progressive "Destroy all the good in order to fix the bad" Philosophy!

Web Link

You never read about it in AARP newsletter or our papers, or hear about it on TV, because all of these sources have one turn us into Canada, France, England name it. They care only about increasing Socialist Govt power models, only about the "hope" and the retroactive "change", not the results, not doing what is best for all of us.

The sooner we all realize that the main news sources here are completely tainted,the better off we all are. Latest example, nobody read anything about the 2,000 TeaParty protestors in SF a few weeks ago, did you, but you sure saw those awesomely well informed Raging Grannies, all 10 of them, with their "Health Care Reform Now" signs in the paper a couple days ago, photo and all!

I blame the Repubs for NOT fixing our problems when they had a chance, in health insurance, social security, and Medicare, ( and border control).I understood that 9/11 happened, and then Afghanistan and then Iraq, all of which sucked a lot of air out of anything else we could do in this nation for 6 years. And by the time we were putting that behind us, there was no Repub power left ( never forget, the DEMS have had all the power to enact bills or block Bush since 2006 when they took over the House)

Well, that was then, this is now. With any luck, the Dems will see the light and enact AMERICAN innovative changes, not the failed retreads of other countries. I don't care who gets the credit, Repub or Dem, I just want it done in a way that doesn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2009 at 7:48 am

If anyone is interested, here is a link to the actual Bill under discussion so far ( granted..the Senate is working on another one, but we will read that one when it comes out.

It is in a site called "Open Congress" and there is a way for the public to comment on each line. So, it is kinda cool cuz one can skim the bill, and click on the comments when one wishes in order to understand how others are thinking about it. I have been impressed with some of the specificity of thought and "dot connecting" that some of these bloggers have done. Of course there are the usual "you are only afraid of change" or "single payer is the only way" comments but if you skim over those you can actually learn about the bill.

Web Link

Posted by NotTooHealthy, a resident of another community
on Aug 31, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Rep. Eshoo's website says she is going to have two town hall meetings, one in Palo Alto (I believe at some school on Page Mill rd) and one in Ben Lomond--at Highlands Park Senior Center on Highway 9. I believe they are slated for Sep. 2 and Sep. 3, respectively. Check her site or the web to be certain.

And, to the people who for the last 30-40 years have told the Gov't "Hands Off My Body" regarding abortion...why do you so openly invite Gov't to take such an active interest in your body now??? It is counter-intuitive to everything you've rallied for.

Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 1, 2009 at 11:58 am

I would be shocked if any opponents wasted their time going to Eshoo's "town hall". She has always voted the furthest left possible, regardless of any input she gets, period. There is no way she will go back and change the vote on the bill she voted for, but never read. So why bother? We are talking about something she has no power over whatsoever.

I am saving my energies to see what comes out of the SENATE, so we can talk about page and line numbers. As with the Congressional Bill 3200 ( she voted yes on after she and the rest of the Dems rushed it through before anyone could read it, as usual for this Admin),we will get nowhere until we can actually read the bill..otherwise we are only talking about platitudes and political rhetoric.

I just hope the Senate will actually give the public time to READ the bill..and maybe even read the bill themselves before voting on it.

THAT would be change I can believe in! Because so far I just see the same ol', same ol'

No thanks. The silent majority knows when to not waste its time.

Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 2, 2009 at 9:03 am

I was actually starting to be talked into going by my friends and my partner...when I heard the latest lovely town hall by McClintock..where, of course, a pro-Obama care ( whatever that is in her mind) supporter claims that the only reason we are opposing socialized medicine is because we hate Obama.

Oh,..right..I forgot the rule. Thou shalt not oppose an idea if supported by Obama or thou wilt be judged a racist.

BTW, for what it is worth, allow me to remind all that conservatives support Obama's ideas for teacher merit pay, vouchers and charter schools.

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