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Condoleezza Rice now insists "No one was arguing that Saddam Hussein somehow had something to do with 9/11."

Original post made by Dr. Ferragamo, Stanford, on Mar 19, 2009

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2009 at 5:24 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

I watched the same interview and said nothing to suggest Dr. Rice was dissembling or lying. Your straw dog is not tall enough to make me forget the reason we invaded Iraq, reasons fully explained and valid.
1. The invasion was a continuation of the U.N. sanctioned war to expel Iraq from Kuwait.
2. The Invasion was separately sanctioned by the U.N. as an appropriate response to Iraqi violations of the terms of the cease fire.
3. The invasion was an appropriate response to the daily attempts to kill American airmen validly patrolling the no fly zones.

There is not a direct cause/effect relationship between 9/11 and Iraq, but to deny the general animus of the Islamic world toward the United States and the rest of the free world, and the general approval of any action that harms the U.S. denies the reality of dancing in the streets in celebration of 9/11.

It is not a Simon Says world out there. The consensus in the civilized world that motivates our fairness even toward sworn enemies is not reciprocated by the immature societies. It is the utmost folly to continue to adhere to the rulebook even when the other team does not.

It is past time for Palo Alto to honor Dr Rice by renaming Sand Hill Road to Dr. Condoleezza Rice Boulevard.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2009 at 6:27 am

Extremely well said, Walter. Thank you.

Don't be too frustrated, though, ...there will always be people who believe what Dr. F believes, just like there will always be people who believe we never landed on the moon.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2009 at 6:50 am

Thank you Dr. Rice for your courage and patient persistence. You have more faith remaining in our people than I do, and I am grateful that you and others are continuing to try to educate the uneducated.


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Posted by Dr. Ferragamo
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 20, 2009 at 7:50 am


Our economy is on the brink of total collapse due in part to the Federal Reserve flooding trillions of dollars into our money supply to pay for the Iraq Disaster.

Millions of Iraqis and thousands of Americans are dead thanks to Condi and the neocons.

In the entire history of USA never once did Iraq attack USA or threaten to attack USA.

What was so intolerable about Saddam Hussein again?


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2009 at 10:39 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

"What was so intolerable about Saddam Hussein again?" [Dr. Ferragamo, a resident of Stanford]
Saddam invaded the sovereign state of Kuwait, slaughtered Kurds and tried to kill American airmen. Outside of that and the rape rooms and the WMD programs, I suppose he was an all right Joe by some standards. After all, Hitler was a non-smoking vegetarian.
Taking one consideration with another, a [world] policemans' lot is not a happy one.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Not to mention that Saddam is responsible for the deaths of at least 1,200,000 Muslims in the 2 wars he started, and at least 300,000 tortured and massacred Shias in his own country ( by the absolute most conservative estimates possible).

But hey, like you said Walter, all things consdiered not bad in comparison to say..Stalin, his hero.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm

"It is true, as I have said many times, that Saddam Hussein was not connected to the 9/11 attacks. But the decision to remove Saddam from power cannot be viewed in isolation from 9/11. In a world where terrorists armed with box cutters had just killed nearly 3,000 people, America had to decide whether we could tolerate a sworn enemy that acted belligerently, that supported terror, and that intelligence agencies around the world believed had weapons of mass destruction. It was clear to me, to members of both political parties, and to many leaders around the world that after 9/11, this was a risk we could not afford to take."

Thank you, GWB. You get it. History wll treat you kindly for your leadership, especially your liberation of Irag from Saddam.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm

Bravo President Bush. I wish I could trust this one to protect us as well as President Bush did.

I fault Pres Bush for a lot of stuff, frankly, from being the first President to approve Embryonic Stem Cell research with Federal assistance, the expansion of Medicare and Education fed spending, the porousness of our borders, the constant expansion of our fed govt, the lack of pushing hard enough of social security and health insurance private reform, etc..but above all our President must keep us safe, and this he did brilliantly, against constant leaks, harping, and flat out sabotage by our leftists here and abroad.

Thank you President Bush.

Your turn President Obama. Which State are you going to release the Guantanamo prisoners into?


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2009 at 11:59 am

"Which State are you going to release the Guantanamo prisoners into?"

Why would any of them be released? Because the bumbling Bush administration failed to convict them, or even to bring them to trial, and it fouled up the evidence so thoruoghly they can never be tried except in kangaroo court, which the Bushies also failed to convene.

Either the Bushies were the very best friends these people could ever have, or this was just another routine screwup from the incompetents that brought us that mother of all screwups - the Iraq-Afghan war.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 23, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Dr. Ferragamo is accusing Rice and Bush of lying. Yet all they ever said was that Saddam had ties with al Qaeda, not that Saddam was behind 9/11. And that is what the bipartisan commission also said: "no operational relationship" to 9/11, not "no relationship" with al Qaeda.

Bush and Rice are not lying. Dr. Ferragamo, on the other hand, seems to have a problem with reading comprehension.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Enemy combatants, who are not part of a uniformed military (and reporting to a state apparatus) have few, if any rights. FDR simply treated them as spies and hanged them. It is a big mistake to inject them into our normal legal system.

Bush did the right thing. Obama is about to blow it, big time.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm

"Enemy combatants, who are not part of a uniformed military (and reporting to a state apparatus) have few, if any rights. FDR simply treated them as spies and hanged them."

Wrong, of course. If the Gitmo Grads were actually enemy combatants, any competent administration could have quickly convicted them in court and taken the appropriate measures as FDR's successor, Truman, did at Nuremberg. Instead, for 7 years Cheney and Bush served up a Circus Gitmo slapstick that made the Keystone Kops look like The Untouchables.

But it accomplished its mission (where have we heard that before?); The Base ate it up.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2009 at 2:43 pm

Please name the enemy combatants that were tried at Nuremberg. FDR made swift work of them, when he captured them...and this was supported by the Supreme Court.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2009 at 5:37 pm

You're kidding!!! You know nothing of Nuremberg?!? But why am I surprised? I knew you made up history as you went along, and thank you for proving it in front of everybody.

But I'm not about to do your homework for you. At least you can Wikipedia and Google it for yourself, fergodssake.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2009 at 6:38 pm

One more time:

Please name the enemy combatants that were tried at Nuremberg.

I can't think of any, but you seem to be so sure about it...so name them. I am only aware of state-sponsored combatants at Nuremberg.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 24, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Gary

Are you trying to tell me the German state was not our enemy in WWII, or that the Werhmacht was not state sponsored, or that the German soldiers shooting at our GIs were friendly combatants, or some combo of these? I think you need to rethink your version of history. The books and the vets disagree with you.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 24, 2009 at 1:40 pm

Paul,

The term "enemy combatant", used by FDR and Bush, refers to non-uniformed agents captured on the battlefield or in this country. Hitler infiltrated some non-uniformed soldiers (by submarine) into this country during WWII. They were all captured, and FDR gave them a quick military commission trial then hanged most of them. The Supreme Court affirmed his decision that such non-uniformed agents do not deserve prisoner-of-war or habeus corpus protections. Bush used that same standard for non-uniformed prisoners captured on the various al qaeda battlefields.

Nuremberg was a trial of the Hitler hierarchy, most, if not all of which, wore the uniform. They were all part of the state apparatus reporting to the main uniform, namely Hitler. Al qaeda, and various other jihadists, is a stateless set of non-uniformed irregulars. The U.S. signed agreement with the Generva Accords does not cover such actors as prisoners-of-war. Obama has decided to treat an act of war by these irregulars as a legal eagle affair...it is not. Bush handled it almost perfectly, including the selective use of waterboarding.

If you need any more history lessions, just let me know, Paul. BTW, who is your high school history teacher? It sounds he/she needs some help, too. Just for the heck of it, when you go to class tomorrow, show my response to your teacher.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 24, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Cotton candy history - spun to taste.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 25, 2009 at 6:55 am

How I would love to have such excellent history taught to our kids here. Would save us from repeating, ad nauseum, the same foolish errors. Like now.

Gotta give that Marcuse a hat's off tip. He nailed it with his 1965 essay "Repressive Tolerance",calling for the change of society through suppressing conservative speech and views in academia and other cultural platforms. This was taken up by college students at the time who have now been tenured in Universities across our nation for 30 years, and have succeeded in turning our academia into indoctrination, not education, machines.

The teachers of our children, including high school history..and now college history, for the last 20 years have been graduates of this indoctrination, and it shows in the latest vote, where "redistributing wealth" and "it is only fair" and "to each what he needs, from each what he can give" are considered perfectly rational, nice economic theories, with no clue about where these sentiments led in the 20th century.

This historical evolution of our education system has dovetails nicely with the belief of Marxist "leaders" that revolution would come from controlling the education of the children. Bill Ayers ( remember BHOChavez's buddy) subscribes to this also, and has applauded the continuing revolution through education in Chavez-land. He is now one of the educational advisors to the most powerful person in our nation. Can't wait to see the results of that!

In any case, thanks Gary, for the historical clarification.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 25, 2009 at 7:01 am

Another tangent, but gotta say it. This "ends justifies the means" thinking has also led to our our Congress people, like FRANK, calling for the names of PRIVATE CITIZENS who were following the LAW and thus received bonuses, in order to make a public flagellation of them.

And now, tour buses going by these same PRIVATE CITIZEN homes, chanting horrible things, spitting and throwing...and mobs outside the homes. When will they wear their white cone hats and cover their faces? Anybody see any correlation to the POGROMS that national "leaders" incited in the lead up to WW2? Masterful manipulation of mob anger and emotion over completely innocent private people to distract the people from the truth.

And nobody is outraged in the media, in government, not even the POTUS, who could stop it all with a snap of his fingers, but is using it for his own gain. (Remember ACORN tactics? HE TAUGHT THEM to ACORN staff).

This is all very scary, folks. Prepare to defend yourself if you have anything at all. Our government has abrogated the duty of government to defend innocent civilians from mob rule.


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Posted by Hypocritical Perspective
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 25, 2009 at 8:00 am

Interesting, how Perspective, in his zeal to criticize Obama is now supporting the AIG bonuses. Seems to me in other threads, he was ripping into Obama and the administration for these very same actions.
Does anyone see the hypcorisy in this?


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 25, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Interesting how much the far left is trying so hard to spin what is fact and truth. I support living up to our laws, which means I support the AIG bonuses. They were contractually agreed to, then specifically protected by Dodd's language in the DeStimulus bill..and now they are being scapegoated by the same government whose job it is to defend the law and citizens.

No hypocrisy in this at all.

I was opposed to rescuing AIG, and all the other businesses, having a strong belief in the power of BANKRUPTCY to prune off dead weight and allow the strong to emerge. That is evidently what you have missed in your misreading of my posts. So, your post makes no sense at all to me. Explain the hypocrisy you think you see?


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