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by Gary, Downtown North,
on Dec 9, 2008
According to the investigators, was not aware of it.
"UPDATE: An Obama Transition Team aide says that Axelrod misspoke on Fox News Chicago.)
(UPDATE #2: Axelrod this evening issued a statement saying. "I was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject.")"
This is the way the major scandals gain fuel. The non-denial denial, or even the denial denial. Typically, in Washington, the crime is less important than the denial.
Barack would be smart to just cut to the chase and kill two birds with one stone:
1. Yeah, I talked to him about it.
2. Bill Ayers was my pal.
Just get it over, up front.
The truth is that Obama, His Emptiness, is not scripted to tell the truth, so don't bet the bank on it.
U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, announcing the charges, also said Obama was in no way implicated.
Gary, you are playing guilt by association. The fact that Obama's old Senate seat was a commodity that Blagojevich tried to sell illegally is not something that is Obama's fault.
Even if Obama had a conversation about who would be an appropriate replacement for him that conversation is not illegal or unethical. This was about the governor trying to make some some money on the side. The press conference is online, if you have not heard it, its pretty clear that this is the governor and his aide all the way. I heard parts on my way to work, the governor is an interesting sort. Give it a listen if you have the time.
Hey sounded like the govenor only wanted a million. ;^) Most campaigns cost more than that and they are not a sure thing.
I posted earlier about how Chicago is a city that works, and that sort of Chicago politics is what we can use right now. That is a far cry from this disgusting stuff that came out today.
Gary appears to be on a witch hunt, trying to connect Obama to this any way he can. I fervently hope that this is just an example of a "bad actor" who went out of control. That is what Fitzgerald, the US Attorney, said today. No connection to Obama.
But this governor is clearly a scum bag, I don't know enough about his prior experiences to know how he has association with the "City that Works" politics or more of the Huey Long variety.
I will admit that my earlier posting has lost some of its merit after what came out today. I don't think the Chicago pols who are part of the Obama group are directly part of this ugly development, but it may be a wake up call for them about some of the bare knuckled aspects of Chicago politics that is part of that culture.
Barack Obama moved to Chicago in order to promote his own political career. It didn't bother him that he needed to attend a racist church, or lead a CRA to help destroy our economy. He wants what he gets.
Barack got ahead, because he is a smooth and articulate black man, fully scripted. If he was white, he would be behind that white guy, Edwards, until he had to drop out becasue he had an affair with a bimbo.
Obama should, for the first time, just stand up to the plate and take a major league fastball under the chin, in public. He is an empty suit, and he has been so protected by elite Dems that he cannot even think of a there there. If he got a few scars, at this point, he would be more effective down the road.
Read the transcripts. Blagojevich curses out Obama for "not willing to give [him] anything except appreciation." There are a bunch of curse words as well.
As not so smoking points out, Blagovich was fuming obscenely about Obama wanting Valerie Jarrett "for nothing". Blagovich was no buddy of Obama's--he was a rival and had presidential aspirations.
You're beginning to sound like a fruitcake on this Obama stuff. Don't you think if there were links to Blagovich, the McCain campaign would have used it?
"Don't you think if there were links to Blagovich, the McCain campaign would have used it?"
Alas, no. McCain followed in the Bush footsteps that mandate loving your political enemies and screwing your political friends.
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If you want to dislike Obama, I think you are going to have to do it the old fashion way and dislike him for his stand on issues and point out the flaws in those. Maybe you're right and Obama can't do the job, time will tell, but he sure looks so far like his attempt will be an honest one. I really dont think this guy is a crook, but he is human, so he will make mistakes. When he does observe how he recovers from his mistakes.
The only people that are trying to associate Obama with this is the radio talk show sorts. Its their job to manufacture controversy where there is none, it gets people to listen and sells ad time. Now we could talk about the ethics of that form of entertainment, but that probably deserves its own thread.
Two weeks ago Axelrod said that he knew that Obama had direct talks with Blagojevich about the open senate seat, and they discussed several names. Yesterday, Obama said he had never talked directely to Blagojevich or any member of his camp about the issue. Also yesterday, came reports that Axelrod had "misspoke". Which is it...did Axelrod lie (as he now wants us to think), or did Obama lie?
If it was an Axelrod lie, will Obama fire him, for blatantly lying to the public? Or are we to believe that Axelrod is so massively incompetent that he truly misspoke? Axelrod may be many things, but he is not incompetent. However, he knows that it is his role to fall on his sword to protect his guy.
For all you acolytes frantically defending Obama, how is it that Blagojevich knew that Obama would not play ball, unless he had a direct conduit to Obama? Does the name Rahn Emanuel come to mind?
Again, what does it matter? The take away point is that Blagojevich said, when he thought no one was listening, that Obama was not approachable for a pay for play offer. Maybe Obama is that ethical. Maybe Obama knew of the investigation and knew to stay clear. Obama may yet be involved in a future scandal, but the point is that he is not part of this one. The disagreement over whether a conversation took place between Obama and the governor about possible Senate Candidates is not a scandal.
Now how did Blagojevich know Obama was not aproachable? Maybe because Blagojevich knew Obama from the past and knew Obama was a boy scout on this type of thing. Maybe because the governor hinted to someone in Obamas that the Senate seat was being filled Quid pro quo and they hinted back no interest. But speculation is not evidence for or against.
Again just dislike him for his stand on issues or even his documented conduct. I dont think you would like to be judged by the conduct of everyone you ever met or speculation about how you were personally involved. I know I would not want that for myself.
From the link that Gary posted above;
"There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed."
In his zeal to bash Obama, Gary ignores the facts and merely parrots the bleating of the right-wing radio talking heads.
and if "blatantly lying to the public" was really a fireable offense, then Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld would have been unemployed years ago.
Gary should be more concerned with some of the stuff coming from Bush as he continues on his farewell interview tour.
Ill. governor meeting with Obama today
By Carol Sowers
Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.
"CHICAGO, ILL. -- Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.
That's one of Obama's first priorities today (Nov. 5).
He's meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it."
Did Obama cancel this meeting? Or is he just lying about never having discussed...? If his handlers were smart, they would have sent Emanuel, in order to provide cover, in case anything went bad.
Just wondering, if the Governor of the state is responsible for appointing a replacement senator when the sitting senator gives up his seat, what is wrong with Obama meeting with the governor?
In your typical zeal to bash Obama you are trying to make a case for guilt by association--let's see some real facts--not regurgitation of Limbaugh-like crap
There is nothing wrong or illegal about it, at least at this point. It's just that Obama denied having done it, even though his top advisor said he did. Of course, Obama had no teleprompter when he made his denial, so maybe we cannot blame him. His Emptiness does not do well when he goes off script.
Gary--let's stick with the facts--the news story that you posted does not say that he actually met with the governor.
And if he is lying about it--so what? Palin, McCain, Bush, Cheney and many democratic politicians have lied in the past. Are you shocked that a politician lied or are you just looking for something to bash Obama with?
[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.] Get over it , Gary--he won the presidency.
Just more evidence of the politicization of the Justice Dept under Bush and the Republican Party. Add overblown press hysteria and here we go. Calm down, people, there's no sex here.
What Blagojevich is accused of (and only accused) is merely standard Republican operating procedure (remember Mark Foley?) Even if he's guilty, Blagojevich is only guilty of behaving as a Republican while calling himself a Democrat. Switch his party and all will be well.
Obama would endear himself to me, if he actually told the truth. He has gotten away with that boy scout act for many years. I never believed it.
If Obama would just say, "OK guys, it was, you know, ya know, a tough day, and I, ah, got carried away. Yeah, I did talk to Blogo about the seat, but he wanted too much, and he wanted it up front. I said no." - then he would begin to get some gravitas. Obama's days of taking a pass are over, and he has to grow up real quick. He knows the deal, after all he moved to Chicago to get ahead in politics in the first place. The problem is that his acolytes still want to believe the boy scout image.
Gary--why would Obama even care if he has "endeared himself" to you? You will continue to bash him regardless of what he says and what he does. What you believe is irrelevant now--you had your time in the sun--singing the praises of Bush and company for 8 years. Now we will have a real leader and you will have to suck it and just sit quietly while Obama is in office (remember it is a time of war and you would not want to undermind the president as you have complained so often that the critics of Bush are doing ).
I do love the way you take an incident that may or may not have happened and then start telling us what Obama should say about said fantasy incident.
Obama should and probably does, ignore Limbaugh clones like you.
I will always reserve the right to criticize a president on domestic issues, even in time of war. I will go quiet when it goes beyond the waters' edge.
I am actually doing you Obama acolytes a favor. If Obama shows some gravitas early on, even if it leaves scars, he will be MORE effective, not less, going forward. For example, when he needs to deal with Putin, he will get more respect, and may actually avoid the major challenge that Biden predicted.
This is a good point for Obama to actually develop a there, there.
We tried to warn you that Chicago is a cesspool of corruption but you would not listen.
The Messiah (D) is no different than any South Chicago politician. He hasn't even been sworn in the the scandals have already started.
Can the pretend office of the president-elect pardon it's self?
Since candidate #5 was offering 1M it would seem that Diane may have over paid for hers'
By your reckoning, we can tie Sarah Palin to the cesspool of corruption emanating from Ted Stevens in Alaska
An interesting scenario is whether Blagojevich will flip over to the Feds and spill the beans. If he implicates Obama, then Obama will be subpoeaned, then it will become a possible purjury issue. Then the issue might be that Obama fires Fitzgerald. Posible Saturday night massacre stuff here, folks.
Let's not forget that Blagojevich's wife was involved in Rezko's land swap with Obama.
Remember I told you all that Obama should just fess up now, before it is too late.
Sounds like Whitewater warmed over, Gary. We all remember what a triumph that one was for the loyal(?) opposition, right?
Take a clue. Come up with a juicy sex scandal.
"then it will become a possible purjury issue"
perjury is lying under oath, You can lie to the press, you can be mistaken under oath.
Under what scenerio has anyone committed perjury so far? Or are you envisioning a future transgression?
I take your point. However, Fitzgerald seems to have a way to squeeze the truth out of reluctant witnesses. If Blagojevich flips, all bets are off, becasue he ain't about to take a dagger to protect Obama...that would be too out of character for that Chicago pol. Obama would then be questioned, under oath, about his contacts with the governor, and how this sqaures with what his top advisor has already stated in public. If Obama continues the lie, then he will be in trouble.
Remember, Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath (about sexual harassment). Obama can cut it off at the pass, if he takes my advice, and just admits the truth...tell the entire story, warts and all. It would be painful for him, and his followers, but he would survive it. In fact, it would make him a tougher man, a fuller suit, and more respected by the real tough guys in this world.
"Remember, Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath"
Clinton was indicted but not convicted. Rooten Tooten Newton couldn't even deliver his own party in the Senate.
But Scooter Libby was convicted, and Bush promptly commuted his sentence. So much for Republican reverence for the truth. Watch for the pardon.
Are you suggesting that Obama do a preemptive pardon of himself, ahead of time...just in case?
He could avoid all this stuff, if he just told the entire truth (even if it is messy).
Your notions get wilder and wilder, Gary. Pardon himself? Legally impossible and, sans guilt, logically absurd.
Tell the truth, or tell the story you want to hear? You can't have it both ways, good buddy.
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