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Two PA men arrested after Terman burglary

Original post made on Nov 14, 2008

Two 21-year-old Palo Alto men believed resposible for several burglaries in recent weeks have been arrested following a burglary at Terman Middle School Wednesday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:57 AM

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Posted by Amazed
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:31 am

Isn't it interesting the reporter didn't mention these two "fine" Palo Alto young men committing these crimes are AFRICAN-AMERICAN! Hmmmm. Police have been vilified for profiling African-Americans, yet who have been committing the crimes? Stop the political correctness folks, stop fueling fires where there need not be, and let the police do their jobs.

My son knew these men while back in high school. They were constantly causing petty crimes in town. Now they are in the big leagues.

HOORAY for PAPD.



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Posted by HAHAHA Not from EPA
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:39 am

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Posted by Bob
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:49 am

Elitist PA residents? Hardly constructive dialog. I would expect that both PA and EPA citizens would be interested in finding those who steal from others.

And why do the employees of the PAUSD need laptops? They're useful if they are taken home to work on, but these are obviously not used for that purpose. Oh, well. Just more tax dollars down the drain. Where money is concerned our city and school leaders often spend for frills instead of basic needs.


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Posted by Al
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:53 am

> Isn't it interesting the reporter didn't mention these two "fine"
> Palo Alto young men committing these crimes are AFRICAN-AMERICAN!

The Daily Post carried a picture of the two in this morning's paper--one was white.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:56 am

Well done.


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Posted by East Palo Alto Resident
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:14 am

You mean that these thugs are from PALO ALTO. OMG no mention of that at all. God forbid if they were East Palo Alto. That would have been all over the media. OMG PALO ALTO BOYS caught stealing.


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Posted by tina
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:15 am

Al you are wrong.. judging a race based on a picture you see. BOTH are African American, I went to high school with them.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:21 am

The guy above, Kyle Hopkins, is the late Albert Hopkins' son. Hahahaha....wow imagine that!!!


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:23 am

EPA Resident, can you not read - the headline is "Two PA men arrested...."


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:39 am

I believe that these Lap Tops are locked in a special cabinet which is then locked in another room within the school - so it is not an easy grab and run - this seems pretty well thought out. I also believe that these are Lap Tops used by students and have in large part been paid for by the PTA (ie. parents of the students).


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Posted by damn
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:40 am

Wow. U people are racist and disrespectful. And for the record nobody has said that the cops shouldn't work hard to try to catch criminals and thieves of all races. People are and were upset that the papd chief was dumb enough to come out and say it the way she did, she said that every african american w/ a doo rag on will be stopped and questioned and if u people cant understand the recklessness and stupidity in a statement like that then u have a lot to learn.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:52 am



That one of the suspects, Hopkins, had a stolen hand gun and large capacity ammunition clips is particularly disturbing.

I am reassured that the PAPD was able to solve the case and also prevent a potentially much worse event, well done!


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Posted by Robbing their own!
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:52 am

For shame - while Palo Alto waxed separatist and elitist, they are betrayed by their very own - and one of them is caucasian. To think that a Palo Alto resident is capable of a crime, despite their top level education and living in their special bubble of super smugness. Too ironic.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:02 am

I am sure neither one of these individuals considers themselves caucasian.


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Posted by Colorblind
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:05 am

I find it funny that when a mixed raced black-causcasian male is a victim, they are reffered to as "black". But when that very same person is considered a suspect, then they are referred to as "white".

Hopkins is mixed raced, FYI.


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Posted by Listen Up Bob
a resident of Addison School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:20 am

Bob, the lap tops at Addison are used for the computer lab for the students. I have a child that attended ADdison last year. I know this because my child's job was to retrieve the laptop cart during her computer lab class. It is NOT a waste of tax payer dollars. Even if it were for the teachers, are you actually saying that teachers should have LESS than they already do? They have the most important job of all on this planet! Get your facts straight. The point of this whole story anyways, is that two thugs were caught.


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Posted by Proud Palo Altan
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:40 am

Kudos PAPD.
Hail to the Chief.

keep up the diligent good work.


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Posted by Don G.
a resident of Community Center
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:43 am

PAPD rocks!! Nice job and glad to see justice is served and the suspects caught. Now to finish the job, convict and lock away these scumbags who are essentially stealing from children.


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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:59 am

Excuse me, no one ever made this an East Palo Alto issue until your Mayor Foster started screaming and as we see here, errantly assuming that she spoke on behalf of ALL persons of color of whom she also assumed apparently ALL resided in EPA.

The Chief never said EVERY African American wearing a doo rag. She essentially stated that as part of an overall descriptor based on witness statements, and that the stops would also be based on other contributing factors such as suspicious behavior etc.

For Gods sake GROW UP Palo Alto AND East Palo Alto and concentrate on something more positive for your own communities and realize that not everything in life is going to be a politically correct scenario!

Her out of line letter started the firestorm, as well as the subsequet hurling back and forth of blame and animosities between the two cities.


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Posted by Color Confused
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:00 am

Are we having a new black president or white president?


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Posted by incognito
a resident of Ventura
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:07 am

does anyone know where these thugs were arrested? I live on Curtner and there are plenty of unsavory people hanging around....i just hope it's not one of my neighbors


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Posted by Unfortunate
a resident of Palo Verde
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:20 am

Kyle was a friend of mine. Trust me, he has had a rough go of it, especially with what happened to his dad. I know people say this all the time about people convicted of crimes, but he is honestly a very nice person who made a few BAD decisions. I really hope that he can straighten his life out because he is better than someone who goes around robbing schools and owning a stolen gun.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:32 am

How were these guys caught? Were they racially profilied? According to the mayor, cops shouldn't use color or ethnicity to determine if a person fits the description of a suspect.


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Posted by You should know better!
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:39 am

Looks like Palo Alto has some issues of their own to deal with...hmmm. Who's calling the kettle black now! Proof is in the puddin'.........Every city has its own criminals to deal with, so don't think that Palo Alto is safe. With this economy and national depression, be prepared to see a lot more crime! Everywhere; BE AFRAID; BE VERY AFRAID. That's the American way. Stop living in fear and do something about it.
And what constitues "Unsavory"? Please give me your descriptions of unsavory people. And what makes you better than?


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Posted by hopeful
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:51 am

Thank you Unfortunate, for your comments. I too know Kyle and have enjoyed knowing him. I am so sorry for the decisions that he felt forced to make. I hope that he will learn from this and will become the man that I know he can become.

And yes Kyle, like our president-elect, is of mixed race.

Please stop judging peoples choices without even knowing what has brought them to where they are today. Those of you who have the luxury of sitting at a computer all day and spend your time harshly judging everyone else need to get up and try helping to change whatever it is that you do not like. How about an outreach program for some of these kids that have no support or help the homeless or anything but your constant, boring comments without any backbone.


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Posted by To Unfortunate
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:57 am

Kyle has had a rough go of it? Sheesh, my dad arrived in this country w/$13, a political refugee. He lived in his car even. He isn't a burglar with a gun, robbing schools. Instead, as a school teacher, he worked 2 jobs most of his life.

Rough go of it? I've taken in recycling for food money after the last bubble burst. When I've held low paying jobs, I've done side work such as babysitting and pet-sitting. Nothing like working a 60 hour week to exhaust one too much to commit a burglary!

Rough go of it? I once held 2 jobs, working 7 days a week. I was assaulted one afternoon, but still got up and went to work the next day, despite my aches and pains.

Rough go of it? A nice guy? Puhlease.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Yes, many of us are judging these choices - they took something that did not belong to them - how should this be judged? How was Kyle forced to make this decision? From what we do know about him, he had a very well educated father who did provide a positive example for him. He is not an inner city kid struggling to survive. He made the bad decisions. Certainly, I hope that with his arrest he can get some guidance and get back on a track that would make is father and mother proud.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:41 pm

I am not sure of your definition of "thug", but these two very young men have been charged with robbery and possession of stolen goods (one is a handgun). I see no evidence that they are responsible for hurting or harming any person, to me that is the definition of thug. What they did was criminal, but that makes them thieves and criminals.


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Posted by Hoodlum/thug all the same
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:56 pm

Those boys aren't saints!


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Posted by Richard
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Good for catching the thieves above.

The problem with the police chief's comments wast that she singled out 1 race, while during the latest spate of crimes there have been African- American, Caucasian and Asians that have been identified as suspects.

And to answer one's question above, NO, they weren't caught through harassment on the street and racial profiling (one of which appears to be caucasian), but, instead through good old fashion police work.


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Posted by PA Parent
a resident of Green Acres
on Nov 14, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Bob of Barron Park, as mentioned, these laptops are for students to use for classroom projects. They not only learn to do research and write reports, but they also learn how to use the software applications -- all excellent for real world preparation. I recently went on some middle school tours and was impressed with how these young people applied technology to their learning.

As to someone else's comments, equipment such as computers and electronic boards (Smart Boards) are NOT paid with your tax dollars. Let me repeat, ARE NOT PAID WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS. The money comes from the PTA and a wonderful organization in town called Partners In Education (PIE). Thanks to PIE, Palo Alto students have access to real world learning tools. The people who donate to the PTA and PIE are people with children attending schools in PAUSD, and individuals and businesses who look ahead and want to invest in our future. These are donations, out of pocket, from individuals, families and businesses who care about education. They are NOT YOUR TAX DOLLARS.


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Posted by Lemon
a resident of Ventura
on Nov 14, 2008 at 1:10 pm

Race & hometown don't matter, they are our part of our Community. I hope these young men can turn around their lives.

In the wise words of our President Elect, Barack Obama:
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."


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Posted by anon
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Nov 14, 2008 at 1:19 pm

richard

I was being sarcastic. Good police work!


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Posted by max
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Good God Lemon. give it a rest.

the change B.H.O was referring to is how the government is run, certainly not the black movement. Actually it's some script writers wisdom he was quoting.


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Posted by East Palo Alto Resident
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 1:38 pm

Remember it's not about color. It's about the divide between East Palo Alto and Palo Alto. From my point of view it dose not matter what city you live in criminals are all over the place and PALO ALTO is no exception.

The only difference is that the MEDIA/Police protect the residents/criminals of PALO ALTO by not posting the names
of all the criminals caught in PALO ALTO.

If these young adult men had been from EAST PALO ALTO "EAST PALO ALTO" would have been all over the article not just in the heading. For sure it would have been mentioned at least 3 or 4 or 5 times in the article.


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Posted by longtimeResident
a resident of Ventura
on Nov 14, 2008 at 1:57 pm

Guilty until proven innocent [Hey isn't that what we condemn other countries for] The last major arrest in that neighborhood, involved a swat team and a helicopter. Jokes on us, they had to release the suspect in less than 48hrs - lucky no one died. Lets see how thorough the police work is before we start patting ourselves on the back. The justice system in PA is more about padding your resume, than anything else. At the moment, it seems like they might be guilty of possession of stolen property.


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Posted by A white palo alto nieghbor
a resident of Terman Middle School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 2:07 pm

ALL THESE RACIST COMMENTS GOES TO SHOW JUST HOW PEOPLE LIKE FRANK AND KYLE WERE TREATED BY THE COMMUNITY THEY LIVE IN.
I KNOW BOTH PERSONALLY AND THEY ARE GREAT GUYS. THEY JUST GOT DESPERATE AT A TIME WHERE EVERYONE IS HURTING. WELL NOT EVERYONE, YOU "FINGER PIONTERS" WITH FAT POCKETS DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE FRANK OR KYLE. INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE CRIMINALS IN THIS CASE, LOOK AT WHAT AMERICA IS DOING TO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO TRY TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING, AND THEN HAVE TO STEAL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND A JOB. FRANK SPENT 2 MONTHS LOOKING FOR A JOB IN PALO ALTO. I EVEN TOOK TIME OUT OF MY DAYS TO TAKE HIM TO INTERVIEWS. HE WANTED TO EARN AN HONEST LIVING.
I'VE SEEN FRANK PASS OUT ON HIS FACE FROM NOT EATING, WHEN HE WAS TOO SHY TO ASK IF ANYONE COULD BUY HIM FOOD. I'M NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT, BUT INSTEAD OF KILLING YOUR DOG BECAUSE IT POOPS ON THE CARPET, WHY DON'T YOU EMBRACE THE FACT THAT OUR SOCIETY IS FAILING AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT TO HELP. AND IF THE CRIME RATE IS RISING, THEN DOESN'T THAT SHOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE ECONOMY? THIS IS NOT HOW WE SHOULD TREAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM. A SERIOUS PROBLEM! OBVIOUSLY......

AND KYLE HAD A GUN? THIS GUY WOULDN'T HURT A FLY. MAYBE IT'S FROM PROTECTION FROM WHAT PALO ALTANS CALL, "THUGS". WHICH I ASSURE YOU NOR FRANK OR KYLE WERE EVEN CLOSE TO BEING A THUG.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS WHEN YOU ARE DROWNDING IN IT.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm

"possession of stolen property", one of which was a stolen handgun which he had a large capacity magazine - ohhh but maybe that was a plant? Maybe this is a conspiracy to get even with Hopkins? Yea, thats it.


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Posted by marc
a resident of Terman Middle School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 2:18 pm

white palo alto neighbor,

they will both be assured meals, a bed and jobs in prison, thank to our tax dollars.


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Posted by WHITE PALO ALTO NIEGHBOR
a resident of Terman Middle School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 2:36 pm

HEY THANKS MARC. I KNOW HOW IT WORKS IN PRISON. NEVER BEEN THERE AND NEVER WILL BUT I'VE HEARD HORROR STORIES OF HOW YOU ARE TREATED.
DID YOU KNOW MARC THAT IN JAIL, BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO HANG OUT WITH EACHOTHER? MY COUSIN WHO IS WHITE GAVE A LONG TIME FRIEND A HUG WHO WAS BLACK. HE GOT STABBED FOR DOING SO.....

I'M SAYING WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THESE INSTITUTIONS.... THAT THE BANKS OWN BY THE WAY... IT'S A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. KEEP THE CASH FLOW COMING....


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Posted by WHITE PALO ALTO NIEGHBOR
a resident of Terman Middle School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 2:39 pm

OH AND RESIDENT OF PROFESSORVILLE,
NO PLANT ON KYLE.
LIKE I SAID, FOR A YOUNG PERSON IN PALO ALTO, A GUN MIGHT SAVE HIS LIFE SOMEDAY.
AND THAT IS REALLY CRUEL OF ANON FROM ADOBE MEADOWS TO LEAVE THAT COMMENT ABOUT KYLES DAD. ALMOST AN EVIL CACKLE.


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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:19 pm

Hopeful? And WHITE? Get real. Right is right, wrong is wrong. We know right from wrong since the age of 5.

If they were so hungry, and needed help there ARE jobs out there. Just not the jobs that offer the money these two most likely felt entitled to. Macdonalds is hiring, so is Summerwinds. Not glamourous, but a source of income nonetheless. There are food programs. There are ways to attend school and get financial aid. Gunn students, weren't they? They had resources.

Spare us the liberal there's good in everyone heart tug...what would make more sense is to point out there is HELP for everyone. That is if you want to better yourself by taking responsibility for your own life and you are willing to go out and find it.


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Posted by ShawnP
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:24 pm

White Palo Alto Neighbor,

This is not a society problem and no excuse in the world would make stealing justified. It all starts in the home and how our children are being raised.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Very few crimes are related to not having food. If they were that hungry go hang out at Wholefoods or Costco - there is plenty of free food.


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Posted by Jess
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:26 pm

I agree with YouShouldKnow and ShawnP!


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Posted by Julie
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:52 pm

Good thing Albert Hopkins stood up for his rights as an African-American (not doing anything but sitting in a car). Now his son is a criminal. Completely dismisses the reason Albert was fighting for.


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Posted by KTG
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:55 pm

They commit crime because it's all they know. These types have no regard for hard work, or the value of ownership. They see something they want, they take it. Period. This includes sex. Enough with the pandering to the Liberal ideals that it's not their fault. Nowwww they've been empowered due to 2 tragic incidents: 1) The election of Obama and 2)The denouncing of Chief Johnson doing her job.



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Posted by c me around
a resident of Ventura
on Nov 14, 2008 at 3:59 pm


Sure would like to know who the IDIOT was that did NOT put his gun in a place where someone could get access to it and have it end up somewhere where it should not............Besides, don't they sell LOCKS for guns that go between the trigger so if they are found by children it deters an explosive situation???????? Gun responsibility is a serious one...................
With all the shoot 'em up episodes on television and at the movies, I can see where some people think having the posession of a REAL gun would think that they are invincible and thus get a feeling of well being~even if they NEVER intend on actually using it.
Poor Kyle. I know him as a peaceful polite young man in the neighborhood who has had jobs. Somehow he got caught up with, perhaps in time, to focus on a better future. Let's hope so. It's a community effort, not just the schools, to help educate our youth. Volunteer to Little League, Girl Scouts,Big Brother, Big Sisters. There are a lot of places where people can REALLY make a youths life more productive and see some light at the end of a tunnel.
Please try to do YOUR share. (Who was YOUR mentor???) REMEMBER, some kids HAVE no role models........................


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Posted by honest
a resident of Nixon School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 4:10 pm

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.] kyle has always been a good kid and since his father passed away (rest in peace) he's had a hard time dealing with it but i KNOW that kid and he's a good guy, and if anything, Frank probably left a bunch of stolen crap at his house. Kyle isn't a violent person, he's a good friend and a good person, just getting caught up around the wrong people.

to kyles family- if there's anything i can do to help, please let me know, til then, my prayers go out to you and kyle.


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Posted by KTG
a resident of Community Center
on Nov 14, 2008 at 4:12 pm

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Posted by honest
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 14, 2008 at 4:39 pm

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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 4:53 pm

MY dad died 3 weeks ago. My closest aunt, 6 weeks ago. While those two were in two different ICU's, my mom got carted off to Stanford er. I am broke, older, and jobless with no health insurance. I have chronic pain from an accident, and I share a house with many others to make my rent. Others who happen to be struggling as well in this shaky economy. We live in constant worry of losing our home due to one more financial blow.

So when I sat down to evaluate my very scary and sad situation, was my first thought 'hmm, wonder what someone else has that I can take, sell and get money for? No. In spite of my not having youth on my side, I have been working on a plan for survival which includes schooling for retraining and a job! This in spite of the fact I just had two very devastating personal losses and am holding on by a thread. Quite honestly all I want to do is crawl under a rock and cry; but my responsibility to myself and others is to pick myself up and go on...

See? We ALL have a story. But, we don't all blame someone else for our circumstances.

And while I know that some of you are just very nice people with a lot of caring, sometimes you have to know that too much sympathy actually could give Kyle an excuse as a 'victim' rather than as the encoragement that was intended.


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Posted by honest
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 5:13 pm

thats true, everyone has a story, but as kyles friend and someone thats known him for a long time, i know he wouldn't steal from a school. i've known frank for a while too, but not as a friend, and him stealing is no surprise. nobody encouraged kyle to do anything. except the people like frank that he was hanging around. why he hung around frank, i have no idea. i used to be both those boys supervisor at work and frank got fired for stealing within a month. kyle was an outstanding worker until i quit, and the second time i worked with kyle, he was still a hard worker and stayed out of trouble. it was only when he hung out with the wrong kids that bad things happened. i'm not saying kyle is a victim, he is old enough to make his own choices, but in the past, i've seen his choice in friends get him in trouble. most of them are in jail already, i just wish the justice system would look at the big picture. kyle isn't a violent criminal and has never been.


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Posted by honest
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 5:18 pm

if you knew kyle at all, you would know that his dad was almost beaten to death for no reason but two asian cops, both of whom are STILL working for papd. you would also know that kyle gets pulled over regularly, for NO REASON, just because of who his dad was. and the fact that the palo alto mayor made that comment about going after people who were black. doesnt exclude kyle, because his ethnicity is half black, and papd knows that. if the cops were doing their job, they should know that frank taylor is a compulsive liar, and while maybe kyle was in possession of stolen property, it was probably something frank left there. as for the gun, its cheaper to get a stolen one from epa than to actually buy one and register it, and its not like he was going to use it...kyle wouldn't hurt a fly.


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Posted by concerned citizen
a resident of another community
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:16 pm

now that obama is in office we can now see how he is affecting our country... these two young men have been brainwashed into committing terrible acts of burglary and are running the streets like a scene straight out of grand theft auto. these liberal values must be wiped from our society for the sake of our survival. frank taylor and kyle hopkins must be stopped and so does obama.


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Posted by noname
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:17 pm

i don't know kyle and dont care to. i keep hearing people say he's a good kid and he was influenced by frank but kyle made that final decision to steal. There are plenty of poor folk who will find other means of living rather than steal. if the kid has a conscious at all he would know right from wrong..he made the decision...he's a criminal period!!! Hopefully some time behind bars will wake him up. and yes i agree...if he is starving there are organizations to help. there is no excuse for crime!!!!!!!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

As a first time offender how much "time" do you think Kyle will actually do? Although, it is probably the guy and magazine that will really get him.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:23 pm

I meant gun - sorry.


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Posted by Childhood Friend
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:36 pm

First off, I have known kyle since we were five years old and he would never hurt anybody. I've never known the rage that a person can accumulate on this end of an investigation before, being the friend of a suspect. Most all of you people are making judgments and jumping to all types of conclusions on an investigation you know absolutely nothing about, apart from what a few paragraph's online told you. I mean most of you are not only confused about their races, but your ignorance is so caught up on it you stray from the actual point. All you know is what was taken, and who the police have arrested as suspects. You know nothing about the arresting officers, about the individual suspects, or even their whereabouts tuesday.

and no one wants to hear any of your sob stories, kyle has a lot to grieve about, he has lost a lot, but he never complains, he never spites anyone for his losses or conjures up ways to hurt people.


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Posted by Friend
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:36 pm

I am sure none or most of you don't even know kyle or frank. I know them both, and i know kyle would never do this. frank, well, i would not put it past him, but kyle, never ever. I don't even think kyle and frank are really even friends, and you need to be pretty good friends to plan something like this don't you think? i mean to plan robberies you would have to be close enough friends to trust each other to commit them, and I know for a fact they are not. In high school they were not even in the same clicks really. I just know that this whole thing is something kyle would not be apart of. so what if he had a gun (that probably was not even his), that does not mean he stole from several schools, it just doesn't! kyle is a great person, and the palo alto police department has done some horrible things to his father and his family.


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Posted by Concern Human Being
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Kyle Hopkins is a suspect in an investigation. he is not a convicted criminal.


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Posted by Slightly Confused
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:44 pm

What does Obama have to do with this? He isnt even president yet.


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Posted by Palo Alto Native
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm

The Hopkins family are a huge part of the Palo Alto Community. Arthur played a huge role in many childrens and parents lives for many years, he was a strong person, who, even after all the wrong doings the papd did against him, he never gave up hope for what the future could bring.

just remember that when you accuse his son of criminal activity before you know all the facts. Kyle is a good kid who works to earn his own living, his family is in a lot of pain and he does a lot to help them, he is not a thug. shame on everyone who ignorantly stated he was.


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Posted by Family Friend
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2008 at 6:54 pm

This is another sad time for the Hopkins family. My thoughts and prayers go to Kyle's mother and siblings. We support you all.


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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Sure. The police dept. has so little to do they decided to plant evidence and chase Karl around. It's totally an OJ thang...

Why does this HAVE to be about race, color? Some of us only see color if you MAKE us see color.

My first innate response to any crime story is oh, the suspect is this tall, this weight, this eye and hair color, this race,and was reported to be driving this car. That's IT. A detailed description. I believe that's what it translates to most people.

Then you throw in excuse makers, troublemakers, politicians and left sided media into the mix... BAM! Now it's all and ONLY about RACE.


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:08 pm

I was shocked and saddened to see Kyle Hopkins's face on the front page today. I knew the family back during the elementary school days and they were very involved parents. I think I saw Albert helping out every day at school for most of those years. I also talked to Albert from time to time at Starbucks on Stanford Avenue, during his hardest times. He always talked about his kids and I could tell that he loved them so much. I can see how losing him would be so hard on kids and it would seem to have been hardest on Kyle. It sounds as if Kyle made bad choices about who to hang out with and now is going to pay the consequences for those choices. It's sounds wise to say, "there's no excuse for crime
but because so many men in their twenties often end up doing things like Kyle has done, scientists have been trying to find a real cause, not just one line like, "there's no excuse for crime" It's not so clear cut as that. Kyle may be a victim of his own lack of developed brain and it would seem true listening to the choices he has made along with the praise of his character. I just hope Kyle learns from all of this and can go on and be a survivor.


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Posted by what?
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:12 pm

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Posted by PleasureEnjoyer1987
a resident of another community
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:25 pm

hello i am an american and pertain to a culture that derives excess from the exploitation of the less fortunate. i get extremely indignant and self-satisfied when it comes to social deviants because my american privilege grants me ignorance to the inherent undercurrents of immorality and injustice which support my own lifestyle, or perhaps my mind is simply incapable of such a feat of comprehension. whatever it is, be it ignorance or simple-mindedness, it affords me a great deal of self-righteousness... well, gotta blast!!! see u later!!!


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Posted by joke
a resident of another community
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm

that was a joke right, a joke for you mention ignorance in a comment like that. that statement was the definition of ignorance.


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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

EVERYONE has blamed the hapless Frank for what happened to Kyle seems like...Kyle's washboard STOMACH notwithstanding.

Your post really loses creditibility when you resort to juvenile name calling. Keep the foul language for your little friends at Lytton Plaza.

And WHY are people invoking the name Obama? Is he involved? Is he posting? Is he here?

Or are you using his name and accomplishment to make this a race issue?


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Posted by A white palo alto nieghbor
a resident of Terman Middle School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:01 pm

OKAY, YOUSHOULDKNOW.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE HIRING AT MCDONALDS. FRANK WENT THERE AND BECAUSE OF HIS PAST, REFUSED HIS APP.
AND I NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS RIGHT FOR WHAT HE DID, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I SAID "HE NEEDS HELP".......
YOU CAN READ MY COMMENTS AND TAKE THEM AS YOU WANT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE ONLY READING WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR SO YOU CAN ARGUE. TYPICAL OF A PERSON OF YOUR IGNORANCE.
OH AND I'M SORRY. LET'S JUST CRAP ON EVERYONE WHO SCREWS UP AND TOSS EM IN THE RIVER? I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT. FRANK NEEDS HELP!

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.] IM SURE YOU AREN'T PERFECT. NOBODY IS. POINTING FINGERS AND SAYING NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT HIS IS ONLY GOING TO MAKE HIS SITUATION WORSE. YES HE'S A THIEF. BUT HE WOULD ALSO JUMP IN FRONT OF A BULLET TO SAVE A STRANGER.

AND FOR YOU WHO SAID NOT HAVING FOOD IS NOT A TYPICAL REASON FOR STEALING.... COME ON NOW.... WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO KID? AND HANG OUT IN FRONT OF COSCO AND WHOLE FOODS FOR FREE FOOD? THAT'S UNREALISTIC.

OH AND KTG:
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THIS REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POLICE OR RACE. THEY BOTH MESSED UP AND GOT CAUGHT. PERIOD. SO ENOUGH OF THE POLICE WERE RIGHT TO PROFILE. THERE IS NEVER A REASON TO PROFILE!

RIGHT ON CONCERNED HUMAN BEING!!!!!! KUDOS.

AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, NO ONE IS HOLDING YOU BACK FROM MOVING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY....


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Posted by honest
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Frank may need help but hopefully this is a wakeup call for him. it just pisses me off as one of kyles good friends to see him going down for something i dont want to believe he did. honestly, i believe hte fact he had a gun more than him stealing laptops from a school. i just dont want to see someone with such a nice personality and disposition to go to prison and come out a different person. i think frank needs a wakeup call, but i dont think he's anything close to a murdering rapist as KTG was mentioning. neither of them are violent. i just wish i could do something to help the court see them for who they are and not for what the cops caught them with. I can't imagine how hard this must be on kyles family, especially after Albert Hopkins passed away last year. I remember how hard it was on Kyle, and i can't even Imagine how hard this must be. my prayers go out to the Hopkins family.


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Posted by not impressed
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Frank and Kyle are cool people.
Frank would give his jacket up if you were cold. It's sad to see this happen to these misguided individuals. I hope tey learn something from this.



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Posted by A white palo alto nieghbor
a resident of Terman Middle School
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:21 pm

RIGHT ON HONEST OF CRESENT PARK!
I'VE SEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE I KNOW GO IN AND COME OUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND BARS.....
I'VE REALLY HEARD SOME SCARY STORIES.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO KYLE OR FRANK!


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Posted by sad resident
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 14, 2008 at 8:27 pm

To Kyle's mom: I can't imagine how you feel today. This must be a very sad time in your life. Love your son as you've always have and you will get through this as you have coped with all the other ups and downs in your life.
To Kyle's sister and brother: I hope you are well and stay on the path that you're on and support your mom in any way to help her get through this. I imagine it can't be easy.
To Kyle: please learn from this and put your life back on track. There a lot of people, family, and friends that are sending positive energy your way and I hope you do the right thing in the future. You have so much to offer the world and it is a shame you don't see it.
To Frank: I don't know you but I hope you can get back on track too. Learn from this, and it isn't too late to change and make positive decisions in your life.


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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 14, 2008 at 9:21 pm

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As I see some of the postings supposedly from these guys 'friends' with their in your face defensiveness and vulgarity, I can see why those two young men gravitated toward trouble. It's all about the attitude.


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Posted by someone else
a resident of another community
on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm

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Posted by caitlin
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2008 at 12:38 am

I'm not friends with them but we went to high school together. They aren't thugs.
These are your kids.

Clearly this problem extends beyond the petty crimes committed by Kyle & Frank.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 15, 2008 at 3:08 am

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Posted by YouShouldKnow
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 15, 2008 at 10:06 am

Please stop with the racial slurs. It's offensive. And before you accuse me of being a bleeding heart Palo Alto liberal know that I am a law and order kind of conservative.

When I see you use perjorative words like the one you used the rest of your message is lost and only leaves me thinking 'idiot'. Your attempt to deride someone else only makes YOU look foolish.

It's people like YOU who create people like the troublemakers who started this firestorm over a not well constructed statement from the Chief. YOU are actually contributing to the cops not having the latitude to do their jobs. YOU are making this about RACE instead of criminality. YOU are the reason my taxes had to pay for last Sundays March.

Stop judging others by their skin colors. If you must judge, and if most were honest they would agree everyone does about SOMETHING, then judge them by their actions, not by their race.

KNOCK IT OFF!


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