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Political postings: Lots of Heat: Little Light

Original post made by Peter on Sep 15, 2008

I am dismayed by the bulk of the postings on the current election. Here's why:
1. There too often is blatant disregard for the truth and dishonest repetition of disproved points across several threads, reminiscent of the "big lie" tactic – if you repeat a lie often enough, some people will begin to believe it.
2. An over-reliance on single-sourced "facts," without bothering to check other sources, such as snopes.com and factcheck.org, before posting.
3. Mindless parroting of party or ideological talking points.
4. Inflation or conflation of claims.
5. Citation of opinion pieces and blogs as factual, when they are in fact opinion or propaganda.

That said, there are some thoughtful, thorough posters; some I agree with, some I don't. I do value their input. We all have some biases that influence our thinking, and we all have agendas we want to promote but the best posters use valid logic coupled with good sources in the service of their positions.

Comments (9)

Posted by Danny, a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 15, 2008 at 10:45 am

Well said Peter. Here here!


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2008 at 10:46 am

Same things go on at water coolers all over the country. Only difference, is this goes further afield and no names have to be posted so that the hot heads get away with it here when they don't at the water cooler.


Posted by mary, a resident of Gunn High School
on Sep 15, 2008 at 10:52 am



Peter-

I agree, the allegations about Sarah Palin are very viscous and un sourced.

Comments about Obama are linked to sources, such as the on re Iraq.

You don't see as many about McCain and there are very, very few about Biden.
I suppose that tells us something about the state of the race and the dynamics.


Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:02 am

It's not just this forum. Even Karl Rove (not exactly the paragon of virtue) is complaining about the lack of truth in the presidential campaign.


Posted by Tom, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:16 am

With respect to the American peoples interests, what is a minimally acceptable end game in Iraq?

"Here is the truth: fighting a war without end will not force the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future. And fighting in a war without end will not make the American people safer.
So when I am Commander-in-Chief, I will set a new goal on day one: I will end this war. Not because politics compels it. Not because our troops cannot bear the burden- as heavy as it is. But because it is the right thing to do for our national security, and it will ultimately make us safer."
—Barack Obama, Clinton, Fayetteville, North Carolina, March 19, 2008

Then when confronting the truth of the matter Obama says this:

Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. He will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism.
Mr. Obama what is the military to do? Stay at the Holiday Inn? What is interesting is under the Obama plan is EXACTLY what is happening right now today in Iraq.

Obama's style, side stepping the truth and claim the Bush plan as your own.
Holly Mackerel, what does this guy stand for? This is not change.

Perte fact check this: Web Link


Posted by Quite Contrary, a resident of Stanford
on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:23 am

Mary, Mary--on the contrary the allegations against Palin have many sources and your post is exactly the kind of post that peter is referring to


Posted by Mike, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:35 am

"Even Karl Rove (not exactly the paragon of virtue) is complaining about the lack of truth in the presidential campaign."

Too bad. Karl Rove whining about lack of truth in elections is like Adolf Hitler whining about WWII.


Posted by BHO, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:53 am


Huffington PostWeb Link Headline


"Why Replacing Biden With Hillary Makes Perfect Sense for Obama"


Is it still possible to do this?, he could claim health reasons before the first debate, that would be a brilliant move, but Hillary might rather just wait 4 yrs and she can be top of the ticket


Posted by Left of Boom, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Left of Boom is a registered user.

Thanks Peter,

I wish the moderators would force the comments to at least be on topic. If the post isn't on topic, just delete it whether from a registered user or not. As the porn spammer proved this weekend, anyone can start as many topics as you want. If you have another topic to discuss, just start it instead of taking over an existing one.


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