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on Sep 9, 2008
Rinconada Runneth Over, September 5, 2008
I stopped swimming at Rinconada Masters years ago because of cold showers and a cold pool. These are not new problems. Thank goodness for the YMCA and their aquatic program.
The employees should also sweep up the dirt and tree droppings because it sticks to our feet and gets into the pool.
We went to the pool on Sunday and all two picnic tables were dominated entire time by people who looked like they were from a neighboring town. Why can't the city pay for a few more tables with shade? There was also a pool lounging chair which was broken with strips removed. How much would it cost the city to pay for new chairs so we don't have to sit on the half-dead lawn or concrete? The pool is certainly fun.
Also, why are people from other towns who do not pay our taxes allowed to use our pool and take away the tables and chairs from us?
Could you be anymore blatant in your racist remarks? "all two picnic tables were dominated entire time by people who looked like they were from a neighboring town" & "why are people from other towns who do not pay our taxes allowed to use our pool and take away the tables and chairs from us?"
Focus on your request to fix the issue of possible needing more tables and fixing chairs. I am sorry that you weren't able to dominate those tables yourself for the entire day. Still means there are only 2 tables right? Pretty uncalled for comment. If they were non-residents, than they paid more to get it- which in turn helps revenue, considering pools don't make money on rec swim. It in no way covers the cost of the program and the overhead.
That argument will not help your position. Your requests will easily be ignored attached to statements like that.
I wonder how much money we need to fix some of these problems: One or two of the "bonuses" which will be bestowed upon the well-paid PA management this year? Will the manager overseeing our pool facilities be among those who get 20% of his annual salary as a bonus for a job well done?
They do not card people at the door to find out if people are residents or not. Everyone pays the same to enter.
Okay- did not realize. I worked there for almost a decade (college, etc.) and we always charged non-resident rates. I really cannot imagine they abolished that since they charge nonresident fees for other programs- although it really was a pain. We used to anger a lot of people who did not bring their ID and expected we assume their resident status. I can see why they would drop it. Their website says nothing regarding fees- but as expected since it is hardly easy to navigate :-).
At any rate- point being, you can never assume you know where everyone is from.
What is the Hispanic population of Palo Alto?
It is acceptable for non-residents to come to Palo Alto and dominate our recreational facilities/parks so that there is less room for us to enjoy them?
We had to go to Greer Park to do a history project for Elementary School. We were the only Caucasian family there. We were given cold looks by Non Caucasians. There were men drinking beer sitting on the wall next to the bathroom near the playground. Trash was everywhere.
Costco size boxes of diapers were surrounding the trash containers, giant pizza boxes and cases of beer were all over the lawn. The sign we had to read and photograph was covered with grafitti. The whole park was full of grafitti. People were cooking on portable barbeques.
Our child took photos of all of it, and submitted it for her project on Mr. Greer and the park. The photos were disgraceful. We have never returned to this park, and afterwards I called the city to report all of the above. They told me that it has been had to keep up with the tagging. There were also vehicles parked in the back of the park where another party was being held, and it was not a coach picking equipment after a ball game. The park visitors made us feel uncomfortable with their stares. Perhaps they did not like us taking photos. I wish I had saved this poster board project to send to our city so they could see how people trash our parks.
The city told me to call the police next time I see vehicles or people drinking alcohol or barbequing on their own pits.
There won't be a next time.
P.S. When we were house hunting we did not buy a home near Eleanor Park because we could hear the loud music and the see the crowds on the weekend we went to the open house. The realtor apologized to us, and we did not mention anything to her. I am not sure if this effects property values, but I would like to enjoy a park with my children at least once.
Interesting to note that none of the parents we know have ever had a birthday party at the park here.
The only park we occasionally enjoy (twice since moving here) is Foothill. I was told that they often have to turn away as many as 50 residents on sunny weekends.
So much for the parks!
Recreational Swimmers (youth/children)take note: this is how the adult
programs have traditionally gotten their voice heard. They are organized
and are willing to petition. - Jake
I don't know how many Latino families live in Palo Alto- but i do know there are many in the apartments by Greer Park and Colorado Ave. When I was growing up in PA there were many in those areas as well apartments in South Palo Alto.
There is a ton of high density lower income housing by Greer Park.
My point is, the complaint on this thread initially was regarding Rinconada's facilities. Mom's point of someone else hogging the table that she wanted being of another race and in her eyes an obvious non-resident is not productive. A "resident" who got there earlier could have been using it and she would still be SOL. This would not solve the problem of needing more tables or the chairs needing to be replaced Or the showers that have been running for 15 years!
The solution is to card people at the door and keep the pool for Palo Alto residents only. People will get used to bringing ID since they are bringing coupons or money anyway. Then if the tables are full or it is too crowded, people cannot blame non-residents.
Other cities (I think Mtn View) allow residents to buy a permit for the season instead of daily passes. They get a great rate and don't need to be ID'd at the pool. An easy solution for charging more to non-residents (which is totally fair IMHO).
The trash at parks is a problem although I've never been glared at by party goers. Perhaps more garbage cans? Garbage pick on both weekend days?
Requiring reservations at ALL parks for parties over a small number - we certainly don't want to prohibit a family picnic, but I have been at field where a group was hosting a b-day party and there were at least 100 people attending, complete with lights in the trees, folding tables, portable b-que, etc. It looked like fun, but I can only imagine the amount of trash left behind in addition to all the ball games played there that day.
When & Why did they stop charging non-resident rates at Rinconada? With pools being more a community service than a revenue generator (when open year round), I can't imagine why they would get rid of these.
I see a way around that pool permit. Very easy. Get a boss to buy the permit for you. Doubt there are photos on the permits. Every adult should be carded.
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