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Morons Speeding on Page Mill Rd

Original post made by Speed Cameras, Esther Clark Park, on Aug 22, 2008

Time for speed cameras - EVERYWHERE!!!! Now we have morons taking bragging rights about how fast they can go on roads that are a challenge to drive at normal speed, much less at breakneck speed.

Frankly, Palo Alto police should make an ffort to nail some of these jerks, and get them off our roads, for good.

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Posted by sally
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2008 at 3:51 pm

We don't need speed cameras. Just post cops along the road, especially in the 35mph zone near I-280. Nobody obeys the speed limit there, despite the signs warning about the bicycle crossing. All the speeding tickets will easily pay for the police time.

I am also in favor of adding stop lights at the I-280 interchange, for both on-ramp and off-ramp traffic.


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

A pretty good piece of driving if you ask me. He never cut corners, crossed the double yellow or squealed the tires. In fact, the only unsafe thing I saw was about 4 minutes in, a bicyclist coming the other way taking up the whole lane, thus forcing anyone who comes up behind him to cross the double yellow to pass.

What's really surprising is that he could take a 5 minute ride down from the top of Page Mill without getting stuck behind some flatlanders who "go on roads that are a challenge to drive at normal speed" - at least for themselves.



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Posted by nail 'em
a resident of Southgate
on Aug 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm

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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Nail 'em,

Instead of an ad hominem attack, why don't you challenge the things I've said with logic and facts?




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Posted by Gotta do Something
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2008 at 9:08 pm

I think that's great, I'll have to take my little European stick shift up there and try it. Yippie for the roller-coaster ride!!!!


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Posted by Speed Cameras
a resident of Esther Clark Park
on Aug 22, 2008 at 10:45 pm

The fact is that there is a posted speed limit that is there for your protection; the fact is that deer run up there; the fact is that you can't control who's coming around a corner out of their lane, at a speed fast enough to keep you from correcting, because YOU'RE going to fast; the fact is that people walk and bike on that road; the fact is that there are cars backing out of driveways that abut Page Mill; the fact is that there are wet leaf spots (especially in autumn) that fool a lot of drivers who corner fast; the fact is that driving is a privilege, and you're driving a 1-2 ton hunk of iron at speeds that can kill if the utmost safety and caution isn't taken.

The fact is, that given these facts, and that everyone who drives fast knows they shouldn't - especially in narrow lane rural areas - -because they presumably passed a driver's test that had questions about driving fast. I think you know what they say.

The fact is that anyone who does what that moron did in the video, is not only a moron, but a reckless, irresponsible moron, because said moron is also risking the safety of others as s/he takes all of 14-20 oz of foot pressure and applies it to an accelerator.

The fact is that anyone who speeds under those conditions is immature at best, and probably suffering from an inferiority complex.

The fact is that speed kills, and when you combine moronic behavior with speeding, it often kills more than the driver.

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Posted by Funny
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:21 pm

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Posted by a long time resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2008 at 1:18 am

Page Mill around 280 is an expressway and most have a 45 to 55 MPH speed limit.

It's more troubling to see drivers on Arasterado E of Foothill Expressway to Charleston at SanAntonio doing 45 to 55 MPH or more (sports cars, a grey Porche) and this is a school lined road with maybe 11 schools.

The police openly refuse to ticket cars and trucks on these roads no matter what. They primarily stay away, or are never seen in the area doing traffic monitoring. They appear to be directed by their superiors not to work in South Palo Alto. Only work in downtown, business/retail areas where they can be seen parked for hours at a time in certain areas.


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Posted by Erin
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 23, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Long time resident says: "The police openly refuse to ticket cars and trucks on these roads no matter what." It's not the fault of the Police Officers; they will tell you, they enforce the law as it is written in the DMV California handbook.

The DMV handbook is notoriously vague when it comes to speeding. It depends on the weather, the condition of the roadway, the speed of the other vehicles etc. It is written that way to stop entrapment, which is what you are advocating.

Too many speeders are now challenging their speeding tickets in Traffic Court and Judges are letting them off. In Traffic Court it's a he said, she said thing.





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Posted by Firefighter
a resident of another community
on Aug 23, 2008 at 5:04 pm

I have been on more auto accidents on this road than any other in the city of Palo Alto. 20+ years serving the public.


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 23, 2008 at 5:26 pm

Speed Cameras,

The fact is that the driver in the video is driving safely for the road conditions.

The fact is that deer are overpopulated in the foothills because the government refuses to re-introduce predators or allow hunting.

The fact is that roads are designed for motor vehicles, and use by pedestrians and bicyclists is misuse.

The fact is that cars entering the roadway do not have right of way.

The fact is that 88% of adults in California are licensed to drive and that makes driving a right, when it SHOULD be a privilege granted only to the most qualified through an exhaustive driving and written test administered in English only to legal residents. Furthermore, geographic areas should be established, and passing score adjusted in those areas to prevent traffic congestion. If, say, the average speed on any freeway in SC county dips below 75 mph at any time, then licensing in SC county will be continually restricted until the congestion is resolved.

The fact is that your safety/reaction time arguments become moot when licensees are qualified.

The fact is that speed limits are not based on the physics involved in any given road scenario, but are arbitrary, and often politically based.

The fact is that PAPD will not ticket for speeding per the reasons Erin posted Additionally, it would be hypocritical to ticket only motorists and not bicyclists who often exceed the arbitrary speed limits when going downhill.

The fact is that if the car behind you is closer than the car in front of you, you are impeding traffic, and should pull over and let the faster traffic pass.










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Posted by dave
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 23, 2008 at 6:44 pm

What seems to be missing here is an awareness that others on the road are at risk. To pass the time a friend of mine had her daughter play a game when they drove across the country. It was to count the number of times they could have passed on a curve safely. In over 2000 miles they only got killed three times!!!

Any time you take a foolish chance you are gambling with your life as well as others. Regrets after the fact are a sorry excuse for killing or injuring anyone. The attitude seems to be we're all invulnerable.


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Posted by Speed Cameras
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 23, 2008 at 7:09 pm

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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 23, 2008 at 7:47 pm

Dave,

> What seems to be missing here is an awareness that others on the road are at risk.

Agree 100%! At risk of incompetent drivers that are licensed by this state. At risk of deliberate misuse of the roadway by non-motor vehicles.

And at risk of "acts of God" i.e. deer on the road, rock slides on the road. Although some of those risks could be reduced by timely government action.





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Posted by Speed Cameras
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 23, 2008 at 8:40 pm

"At risk of deliberate misuse of the roadway by non-motor vehicles"

Yeah, like speeding on rural roads, trying to show off your cajones. And I'm sure "timely government action" could prevent a deer bolting in front of some speeding yahoo as he turns a corner in such a way that his speed causes him to create an evasive action that causes another accident to someone else, or their property.

How old are you anyway? Do you even have a driver's permit?


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 23, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Speed Cameras,

Thank you for ceasing the name calling. I'm responding to you because you've shown that restraint.

As for my age, a legitimate question I suppose. I'm 60+ and have lived in the foothills for many decades.

I think you are not understanding some of the things I've said, and yes, I could clarify, and will now:

The 88% of licensed adults makes that a "de-facto" right by the sheer numbers. Yes, you are correct it is not, in fact, a right in law but has become that in a de-facto way. If you can concede that the drivers seen on the roadways are, in fact, licensed, wouldn't you agree that there is a significant percentage that are not fit to drive, based on ignorance of driving rules and common courtesy?... And poor judgement and poor ability to control their motor vehicle? I ask that in contrast to a competent driver who may drive in excess of arbitrary speed limits, but conducts his driving with precession, competence, safety and efficiency.

Your quote of me: "At risk of deliberate misuse of the roadway by non-motor vehicles" The reference here was to pedestrians and bicycles, as I exemplified in a prior post. It's illegal for me to drive on the sidewalk for good reason, and the converse of that should be illegal for those very same reasons.

Deer on the road. Well, I've hit my share over the years. That's an act of God and like everything in life a risk that can't be avoided, but can be mitigated somewhat by controlling their numbers. I've hit deer at 5 mph and at 55 mph. If they jump out in front of you, it doesn't matter the speed, you will either hit them or attempt an unsafe avoidance maneuver that will put you as risk. The best thing you can do with deer is to aim so impact will result in the least damage to your vehicle, and even that is "iffy" given the particulars of the encounter. Do you live in the foothills? If you've been there for any amount of years and drive routinely near dawn, I'm sure you have had encounters with deer.

The sad thing with deer are the low speed impacts. At 5 mph, I've broken their legs, yet they struggle off into the brush where I know they will die a slow and painful death. At 55 mph death is instant. Typically they fly over the roof of my car after impact and are very clearly dead when seen in the rear view mirror - no suffering, except for the damage to my car.

All life is a risk. If you think the risks of venturing out on the road are excessive, then please stay home, but please don't try to force that view on others. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]







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Posted by Speed Cameras
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 24, 2008 at 1:06 am

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Posted by RC
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Aug 25, 2008 at 12:07 pm

This last weekend there was dozens of numb nuts like this trying to cheat death racing up and down Page Mill Rd between Hwy 280 and Skyline Blvd. Not just the solo drivers, but some were in groups of 2-6 driving in their own world with little regard for the safety and welfare of others. It will take a seriouis accident or fatality to get any type of support from PAPD, SCCoSO and/or CHP. It is too rural and not enough calls to support regular patrols from PAPD. It took several high speed crashes on Skyline Blvd (100 mph club) and neighbors complaining to justify a serval month crackdown up there. In the mean time, bicyclist and the average driver should defensivly drive this roadway. It's not quite to Mad Max conditions, but it is getting there.


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Posted by Tired of it
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 25, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Where ARE the police?! Why not assign one patrol to that road, with two officers, for six hours? It's preposterous that scofflaws like Outside Observer and "Gotta do Something" be permitted to continue their ignorant irresponsibility.


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Posted by Erin
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 25, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Tired of it says: "Where ARE the police?" Downtown where all the break-ins, muggings, assaults and murders take place. Page Mill Road is very low priority, also there aren't enough tax payers up there to pay for regular patrols.


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 25, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Speed Cameras,

It seems you are winning the censorship competition on your own posting.

I don't agree with that. It conceals your nature, and skews your views.

As far as I can see, it's "editorializing" by omission. If the editor finds censorship necessary, pulling the whole thread would be more reasonable.




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Posted by RC
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Early Sunday morning, some young 'bullet proof' kid had his/her car up on Page Mill doing roadshow stunts (burn outs, turning skids or Rockford turns, etc.). He kept doing this until his near-Darwin like luck ran out and smashed his car into a tree. At least the neighbors finally got some peace and quiet until PAPD came up and impounded the car. The young punk was too chicken to own up to his/her responsibility as the kid walked away from his/her pride and joy. Now the roadway is covered in skid marks spread over several miles of roadway until you get to the damaged tree. The marks will likely beckon other Darwin like juveniles to test their luck. Everyone's luck eventually runs out. He/she got off easy this time. The way he/she was driving, he/she should have gone to the morgue.


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Posted by Solutions
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:43 am

Raise the minimum driving limit to 21. I hope they find the brat an put him in jail for a few weeks.


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Posted by Solutions
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:44 am

erin, How many killers roam downtown? Every stupid idiot who speeds on Page Mill is a potential killer.


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