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More Proof of the Absolute Stupidity of the Chinese Government, and This OIympics

Original post made by Boycott Beijing Olympics on Aug 12, 2008

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Nice going, telling a kid that she "isn't cute enough" to sing. The Chinese Government and Olympic Officials are seriously paranoid, and make themselves look like fools when they do this stuff.

One can understand voice dubbing in a situation like this, but carrying it off in this way was not-too-bright.

Comments (31)

Posted by Walter E. Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 12, 2008 at 3:18 pm

It beat having Roseanne singing our Anthem.


Posted by Diana, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 12, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Boycott, the Soviet Union decided to replace its image of XXY female athlete with "cuties". It then lost many gold medals in "female" athletics. Now, China is taking it a step beyond ("cutie" lip-sinking for the non-cutie).

National image is everything at the Olympics. However, I agree with others that the games should just march on, and allow the athletes to shine. Every four years, they end within three weeks. Then we will remember the great performances, less so the venues.


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2008 at 4:25 pm

That's show business! How is this different than Marni Nixon singing for Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, or Milli Vanilli, or any of a number of dubbed songs? It's a show.



Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 12, 2008 at 6:40 pm

"How is this different than Marni Nixon singing for Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, or Milli Vanilli, or any of a number of dubbed songs?"

They didn't say that Marni Nixon was too unattractive for the gig, and so on. Yeah, it's a show. You're right. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the spirit of sport. It's a joke: Highly trained Olympians breathing filth to prove that China is....what? Great? Stupid!!


Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Aug 12, 2008 at 9:16 pm

The girl who sang isn't ugly; the other one just is more cute and loveable looking. Kids need to understand that life isn't fair. There are too many adults these days shouting about unfairness. From giving ALL children who participate in sports teams a trophy (in my day, only 1st place teams received trophies and there were no hurt feelings. In fact, my kids think that receiving a participation trophy makes no sense), to not opening gifts at birthday parties (which children consider fun) because it appears too materialistic, to allowing EPA kids into PAUSD because it's not fair that their parents can't afford PA (what about Mountain View and Redwood City kids whose parents can't afford PA?), to recreational soccer teams which do not keep score (too competitive), to Barney having less than attractive/handicapped kids on their shows to let children know that not every child is pretty/handsome (they can just look around and realize that). We are dumbing down our kids to be not competitive in the name of fairness. Not at all saying that people should cheat to win (which I don't believe in), but kids need to learn that life is not fair.

American Olympic athletes who win gold are favored more by the media if they are Caucasian and good-looking. People just think of the good ole American as being Caucasian. Consider Kristi Yamaguchi, who has a strong Japanese appearance but is an American, opposed to Nancy Kerrigan who won silver. Who got more press?

Part of being an entertainer is being attractive in appearance, and everyone knows that. Would Britney Spears, Hannah Montana, Madonna, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan all be as popular if they were overweight and not attractive? Can't argue with that one.


Posted by Girl, a resident of Duveneck School
on Aug 12, 2008 at 9:21 pm

The faking of some of the fireworks is more disturbing than the lip-synching.


Posted by Ugh, a resident of Jordan Middle School
on Aug 12, 2008 at 9:31 pm

This is really a bad reflection on us Chinese. We may be competitive but we don't all cheat to win. In fact, many are just plain hard-workers. What a shame.


Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 12, 2008 at 11:13 pm

"Part of being an entertainer is being attractive in appearance, and everyone knows that."

Really? You should turn your cable channel from the Disney channel and MTV.

You have unwittingly and powerfully, proved my point. Thank you.

btw, are you writing from the Bay Area, or the Texas Panhandle?




Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Aug 12, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Boycott,

I don't understand your reply. First, you say that China looks like fools for choosing the cute girl, and then you agree that in the entertainment industry, appearance is a major factor.

Fortunately, I live in PA so I can either dress down or dress up. Having to dress up all the time would be too stressful. I definitely get better service when I dress up and wear makeup. And I don't mean designer clothes, I mean a casual sundress.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 13, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Mom,

I don't get your point on this one. The kid who could sing was perfectly cute, she just wasn't as cute. As it happens, she's certainly cute enough that if she wanted to later pursue a career in singing, she'd be cute enough. There are plenty of very successful singers who aren't innately gorgeous--Christina Aguilera, for example.

But that's besides the point--we're talking about very young children. Why are they being measured by such an insanely inauthentic standard? It's far more embarrassing for China to have faked it with the kid than it would have been to put in a kid with with crooked baby teeth.

Yeah, life isn't fair--some kids sing better than others. I think both kids were devalued in a harmful way. Both were being told they weren't really good enough. Nice.

That said, I was disturbed even before this broke out about the use of little kids--i.e. putting one in a harness to fly all over the place. I think a lot of it veered too close to exploitation. While life may not be fair, I see nothing wrong without protecting kids so that they can have a childhood. I mean, why is it okay to remove kids from their families at *three* for some damn gymnastics medal. It's not like the kid could make any sort of conscious choice at that point.

Beautiful moves at an ugly cost.


Posted by Underage Violations, a resident of another community
on Aug 13, 2008 at 5:32 pm

OhlonePar, former US women's gymnastics coach Bela Karolyi's opinion of underaged Chinese gymnasts will probably resonate with you.....Web Link


Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Aug 13, 2008 at 5:33 pm

OhlonePar,

I completely agree with you that they should have used the singing child since she was still fairly cute.

Aguilera still looks fairly good. Look at all the High School Musical, Camp Rock kids, Hillary Duff, Miley Cyrus. They aren't all bombshells but they still are fairly attractive.

You are thinking that it is better to tell children they are the best in everything? Can a 5'5" person be a supermodel? No. Can a slow mover be hockey goalie? No. Can a blind person be an airline pilot? Can someone with a lousy voice be a famous singer?

I see nothing wrong with telling them why they chose each to have a certain part in the performance. A twist on it would be that it is teaching them team-playing...

I agree, pushing kids full-force on music, entertainment, sports at toddler age is too extreme and can have negative effects on children.


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:10 am

By all means, please boycott. If less people watch NBC, corporations will spend less money on them and maybe China or Russia won't invest billions to put them on. Why don't you ask the Greek government to take on more debt so they can stage the Olympics every four years?


Posted by Chris, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 14, 2008 at 11:01 am

Boycott? Are you crazy? These athletes have been working their tails off for a dream and you want to take it away from them? There are other ways to prove a point rather than boycotting the Olympics. Boycotting is a selfish and shallow solution.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 14, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Mom,

I'm not sure what giving your children realistic expectations has to do with the dishonesty of the Chinese government in this case. There's the life isn't fair message, but this is about dishonesty in my opinion. Faking it isn't about teamwork. It's about giving credit to someone for something they didn't do.

Aguilera, Miley, etc. are nice looking women who are very, very well groomed and tended. Very few people are so ugly that style, make-up flattering lights, etc. won't make them passable--particularly anyone's who's young and not obese. The faking it here was all the more pathetic because of this.

I think it's fair to teach a child that effort and ability should be rewarded--it may not always happen, but it's something to work towards. And, more importantly, it's how one should judge and treat other people.

The whole must-be-perfect thing in China seems like an attack of sort of national insecurity--i.e. we're not good enough to be ourselves. The only kid I was happy to see in the ceremony was that 9-year-old walking with Yao Ming who'd rescued his classmates in the earthquake. And he was just walking.

Underage,

Bela's a mixed bag because he, of course, was one of those who figured out that 14-year-old's have strength/size advantages. But, unfortunately, I think it's all too likely that some of the contestants were underage. The one rumored to be 12 looked nowhere near 16.

Thing is, China doesn't need to cheat that way. It's a gigantic nation with a lot of petite mesomorphs in it and a strong acrobatic tradition. I suspect it could come close to adapting the American non-system of where kids and their parents choose to train intensively for gymnastics in middle childhood and still come out on top.

I wish, at least, that when they go around spotting 3-year-olds, they'd put them in regional gymnastics classes and have them live at home for part of their childhood before sending them off to the national center.


Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 15, 2008 at 6:20 pm

" Boycotting is a selfish and shallow solution."

Saul Alinsky, for one (there are many others) would seriously disagree with your position, and so would the many organizations and countries that have been brought to their knees as the subject of a boycott.



Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 15, 2008 at 7:05 pm

Boycott,

Alinsky was a socialist, and he was a big supporter of the Soviet Union, prior to the Hitler/Stalin Pact. In his day, he could have called a boycott against the Soviets, as Stalin did what socialists do, but he did not. He is a hypocrite.

If Alinsky was still alive, it would be interesting to see if he would have objected to socialist China, prior to the current Olympics. I doubt it.

All socialist states should be objected to, because they personalize the macro-ecomonimic decisions, and create command economies, which, in turn, create commanders over civilians. Another word for this is totalitarianism. Saul Alinsky should hang his head in shame, becasue he was not there when millions were sacrificed to his ideology.

Why get all prissy during the Olympics, if you have not been part of the struggle before the Games were not even a glint in Mao's eye?

Let the Games continue. They are reasonably fun to watch. Then we can go back to arguing about socialism vs. freedom.


Posted by Outside Observer, a resident of another community
on Aug 15, 2008 at 9:43 pm

If your children are allowed to breed, then your single grandchild will speak Mandarin.

Don't like that prospect?

Then do something to prevent it, or stop sniveling.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 16, 2008 at 1:22 am

Outside,

Mandarin's an impractical language for worldwide domination--which is why 300 million Chinese have been learning English and half of China doesn't really speak Mandarin.

Meanwhile, the other Asian tiger--India--has a strong tradition of speaking English as a second language.

China's got some major challenges ahead of it--aging population, huge pollution issues--as an American, I'm a little more concerned about our country's own management instead of demonizing China. (Though it does perk up the games to have a "villain" vying for medal dominance.)


Posted by English, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Aug 16, 2008 at 11:42 am

I am Chinese-American and people have asked why I don't send my children to Chinese school. For one, I don't speak it so cannot reinforce it at home. Secondly, most children, even in my mom's generation, really, really dislike Chinese school. Many Chinese use it as a form of daycare after school. Many people comment that China is going to be a dominant force and my kids should learn Mandarin. I believe they can learn later in life rather than suffer through it now, and still end up not fluent. As Ohlone commented, other countries are learning English. Sure, it is always beneficial to be bilingual, but I think there are more important things for kids while growing up, such as some free time and proper socialization skills.


Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 16, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Gary "Alinsky was a socialist, and he was a big supporter of the Soviet Union, prior to the Hitler/Stalin Pact. In his day, he could have called a boycott against the Soviets, as Stalin did what socialists do, but he did not. He is a hypocrite.

If Alinsky was still alive, it would be interesting to see if he would have objected to socialist China, prior to the current Olympics. I doubt it."

I think you don't know what you're talking about:

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Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 16, 2008 at 6:32 pm

Who needs to boycott the games when the idiots at NBC can do it for you. Web Link


Posted by Tim, a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 16, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Didn't even watch the Olympic opening ceremonies. That part is all show, which I could care less.
But these Olympic games have been excellent and it's been enjoyable watching them for hours everynight!


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 17, 2008 at 2:10 am

I fast-forwarded through a lot of the opening ceremonies--overwrought like most opening ceremonies and endless. The only part of an opening ceremony that really sticks with me is when the Spaniards lit the Barcelona torch with a flaming arrow. That was cool.

But I think the games have been good--nice range of stuff--nothing too egregious in the judging--yet. It's one of the more enjoyable games I've seen in a while. Loved the men's gymnastic team underdog story as well as the American women coming back to win in the singles. Great stuff in the pool--Torres and Coughlin as well as Phelps. Loved the guy from Tunisia winning a swimming gold. And I loved the 100-meter dash tonight with Bolt just kind of cruising past everyone. There's been kind of a quirkiness to some of the competitions that brings back the old amateur quality of it. Like the American women going 1-2-3 in sabre. Sabre? Hunh?

And, since NBC for some damn reason decided to show us most of the women's marathon, I even sort of enjoyed the Beijing travelogue that resulted. Sort of.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 17, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Boycott,

On the Alinsky issue, read your own links. I am comfortable with my initial statements about him. He WAS a socialist, and he never led a boycott aginst Stalin, despite the millions of murdered, until the Hitler/Stalin pact was signed. He was a very comfortable fellow-traveler with Communists.

Now to the Olympics. My favorite event, so far, is women's team table tennis. Big time rallies, great quickness, inspired play. Even Alinsky would have enjoyed this, especially since a socialist team, China, is in the running!

No need to boycott this thing. Just sit back and enjoy it. We can fight China and other socialsit states, after the games have ended. Plenty of time....


Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 17, 2008 at 5:46 pm

"On the Alinsky issue, read your own links. I am comfortable with my initial statements about him."

You're always comfortable with what you say, because you keep changing your mind, and the subject. Alinsky is not what you said he was, as the posted links show. Again, like so many other times, based on hard fact, you are wrong - as well as being more than a little narcissistic. btw, FDR and Chamberlain wouldn't have given you the time of day, much less listened to your drivel. You are seriously the top kook, and top troller in these forums.

No go play with your plastic Olympic dollie, the lead-infused one, the one that will continue to be made after ignoramuses like you give the criminal Chinese government more authority to cripple its own people. You're no better than Mao was, an apologist for convenience, as long as the convenience is yours. Enjoy the games.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 17, 2008 at 7:44 pm

"FDR and Chamberlain wouldn't have given you the time of day"

You are probably correct on that, Boycott, however it is me giving them support, not them me. I am just an individual that supports their decisions. I am confident that they aprreciated many such individuals, without knowing them, personally.

Both FDR and Britain, btw, sent their Olympic teams to Berlin. It was the right move. Hitler was more humiliated than glorified by the event. In the end, it always comes down to the field of battle (actual war) to settle macro politics. Both Chruchill and FDR understood this basic fact. FDR refused to get entangled in symblic stuff that would just hurt the athletes involved. He, along with Churchill both fought to re-arm their own countries, and get ready for the real deal.

Even Alinsky, a socialist who said NOTHING against the Soviet Union, prior to the Hitler/Stalin deal, led NO boycotts aginst the mass murder of Stalin. How could he...he was too aligned with the CP-USA to say a peep.

I am waiting for you to provide proof that Alinsky led a drive to boycott the Berlin Olympics, as well as the Soviet Union, in 1935. If you can, then I will retract, and give you your do...maybe he would have boycotted the Chinese Olympics. I'm not holding my breath, though.

In the meantime, how 'bout them women table tennis players?! 100 meters WR?! 8 golds by Phelps?! ...and much more!


Posted by fireman, a resident of another community
on Aug 17, 2008 at 9:44 pm

Tim, How many cheifs? If you get it right. We will give you a gold Tonka Fire Truck. You can keep.


Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 17, 2008 at 10:10 pm

Gary, You're a lightweight. You are wrong about Alinsky, and I've clearly shown that, and like your other posts, you set up straw man arguments to keep yourself in the game. Weak. I understand why you like Phelps, a great athlete who is FAR from the greatest athletes in Olympic history, btw. (brush up on your Olympic history, Google awaits). You're into empty symbolism, and live your little life vicariously through the accomplishments of others, like FDR. A regular Walter Mitty; that's you.

So, you coddle a communist government that crushes the hope of millions just so you can watch a foot race or two? You would have made a good foot soldier for Mao.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 17, 2008 at 11:00 pm

"So, you coddle a communist government that crushes the hope of millions just so you can watch a foot race or two? You would have made a good foot soldier for Mao."

Boycott, you are driving against the headlights. However, if you want to boycott the Olympics, then do it on your own. In my honest opinion, they will continue to the end. Maybe you know more than me.

I already know, and have stated, that the socialist god is dead. Only real military power will keep it that way, if it tries to resurrect (e.g. Georgia).

In the meantime, I will continue to watch the Games. I like them.

For those who want to defeat socialism, just support the military-industrial-complex in the U.S., along with those politicians who are willing to exploit it. Oh, don't forget to oppose all forms of tax increases, until the optimum yield point is reached.

Free people, making free choices, will, in the end, make the right choice.

This stuff is not rocket science.

Enjoy the Games!



Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 18, 2008 at 12:28 am

"Free people, making free choices, will, in the end, make the right choice."

More tripe. Like the people you're helping to enslave in China are free? Hypocrite!


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