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Third of Muslim students back killings

Original post made by E PLURIBUS UNUM, Old Palo Alto, on Jul 26, 2008

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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 26, 2008 at 5:45 pm

It is time to reinstitute the loyalty oath for all recipients of government largese.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 26, 2008 at 5:56 pm

Subjugation of women, including honor killings, is what these Muslim students are demanding. It is a cover for jihadist crusades, even if not all honor killers are part of the conspiracy.

There are only two fundamental ways to deal with the jihadists:

1. Kill them before they kill us.

2. Demand a hearts-and-minds reformation of Islam.

It is amazing that liberated women in this country do not understand the threat. They are the ones, afterall, that will be wearing the veil, and their daughters will be the victims of honor killings.

Stupendous ignorance!

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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 26, 2008 at 7:16 pm

Gary, who will pull anything out of context to prove a point, again fails to research the source of the poll. Pathetic.

Yes, there is a thread, but castigating a an entire people is a bit much.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 26, 2008 at 8:41 pm

"Gary, who will pull anything out of context to prove a point..."

No Patriot, I just keep my eye on the ball, unlike you.

The essential problem is Islam. Muslims, like Christians and Jews, are mostly unaware of the underlying tenants of their religions. However, Christianity and Judaism have come to terms with modified versions of their religions. Muslims have not, although, to be fair, many of them have no idea of what the Quran actually states. The jihadists are straight-forward in putting it into action.

However one wants to explain jihadist terror, we are left with the actual behavior, including 9/11 and honor killings, and the Taliban 'justice'.

I am very comfortable with my previous post, Patriot. I think you need some deep introspection.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2008 at 9:06 pm

What must be remembered about Britain is that the Muslim have in fact invaded and taken over various areas of the country. What has in effect happened is that small areas of large cities and some small towns have in fact become so Muslim dominated that they are electing their own officials to local government and indeed to national government. In these Muslim areas it is basically not safe for a white English person to be seen. This type of invasion has not happened here. It means that the local public (American usage of the word public) schools are being run by Muslims. It means that the local councils are run along Muslim lines. It means that in actual fact that area is Muslim. They get the swimming pools open for women only swimming so that the Muslim women can wear swimsuits in public which they can only do if there are no men present. It means that Muslim law takes over. The children being raised in these areas and going to these schools are not in fact becoming English, they are still being raised as if they were living in a Muslim country. It is not surprising then that once in college they have strong Muslim feelings.

It means that when these Muslim raised children become adults and are say police officers, they put Muslim law above the law of the land and will in fact uphold Muslim law rather than the laws police should be enforcing.

It means that Britain is in fact becoming Muslim in certain areas because they get their own policies into law by having Muslim politicians.

They have become well organised.

At present, there doesn't appear to be localisation of Muslim areas in cities in the US. But, wait for it to happen because it will. As one by one the locals move out of an area because they don't like the Muslim infill, the Muslims will move in and before you know it, they will be electing their own councilors in their own cities and then get their own representatives into State and yes even federal government.

If it can happen in Britain, it can happen here. They have had more time of Muslim immigration than here, but it is catching up.

This is just a foretaste of what is to come.

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Posted by Jarred
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 26, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Britain does seem to be setting the pace in the steady conversion of Europe into Eurabia. There are even schools in Britain in which the Holocaust is not taught because it offends Muslim students.
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Europe will at some point realize the enormity of its mistake in conceding ground to radical Islam without any resistance--though the Left seems to almost welcome sharia and impending dhimmitude under the banner of diversity, and morally equate it to Western ideals of freedom and democracy. The problem is that Europe's realization may come too late.

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Posted by Wake up.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 26, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Time to read "America Alone" by Mark Steyn, along with "Free Speech".

www.steynstore dot com/product50

Youtube Ezra Levant in Canada giving his speech to the Canadian Human Rights Commission ( what a joke, they were trying to censor him because he "offended" a Muslim! Human Right Commission? Censoring free speech?).

And, of course, the most "offensive", thus most intently correct, ever atheist Pat Condell from UK. He is something else. Youtube him.

Need to wake up and realize how our free speech and other liberties are eroding in the name of not "offending" certain groups. We are sliding toward fascism.

We have watched an incredile alliance grow between those who are the most ardent supporters of gay marriage and abortion and women's rights, and those who would kill anyone who is gay, aborts, or asserts any degree of "feminism" ( equality of the genders) at all.

The last defenders of fundamental human rights, like FREE SPEECH, are the "conservatives". We are the original classical liberals, and we have not given up.

What the *&^% is going on?

BTW, I seem to recall an equal number of young Muslims in the USA responding the same way to the question of killing in order to further Islam. They thought that was just fine.

So, the cancer is here, too. If you pray, pray that God/Allah/G-d turns the hearts of all Muslims everywhere away from the barbaric interpretation of their faith, and gives good Muslims everywhere the courage to reform their religion and join the 21st century. Otherwise, we are heading for much bloodshed.

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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 26, 2008 at 11:32 pm

"I am very comfortable with my previous post, Patriot. "

How could you be? It's a shill piece based on a poll done by a polling group with a known bias.

Yes, there are radical Muslims about in the world, and they need to be dealt with, but you seem to support the contentions made by the polling group. Your bias is showing, as usual, with no rejoinder to the point, inly diversion and subject-changing.

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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 26, 2008 at 11:44 pm

Resident, Wake Up, Jarred, I'm well aware of what you're saying, and it's a serious problem that must be dealt with, and dealt with firmly. What I object to is a wholesale slandering of an entire group of people based on assumptions that don't hold universally.

btw, what does Saddam have to do with any of this. This is Bush karma. He _caused_ radical nutcases to go off. A smart President would have dealt with this problem in a very efficient manner, not with the bumbling that Bush has brought about.

Back to the examples you bring (I've been to the UK and have seen this up close). the Brits are fools for letting this kind of thing happen. _Anyone_ fomenting open revolution, or homophobic hate speech, or open discrimination against women, etc., should be come down on with a hammer so hard that they won't dare think about doing it again, period. There's no sense in coddling people who have openly announced that they're out to get you.

OTOH, it's simply dangerous to paint a whole people with a broad brush. That makes you no better than the worst of them. That's how fascism gets going, and individual rights start to slip away.

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Posted by Abolish Israel NOW
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 27, 2008 at 2:02 am

"Perhaps the most telling feature of this entire state of affairs is the surreal fact that in this entire discourse Jewish identity is not mentioned. When Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Michael Rubin, William Safire, Robert Satloff, or the legions of other prominent media figures write their reflexively pro-Israel pieces in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Los Angeles Times, or opine on the Fox News Network, there is never any mention that they are Jewish Americans who have an intense ethnic interest in Israel. When Richard Perle authors a report for an Israeli think tank; is on the board of directors of an Israeli newspaper; maintains
close personal ties with prominent Israelis, especially those associated with the Likud Party; has worked for an Israeli defense company; and, according to credible reports, was discovered by the FBI passing classified information to Israel—when, despite all of this, he is a central figure in the network of those pushing for wars to rearrange the entire politics of the Middle East in Israel’s favor, and with nary a soul having the courage to mention the obvious overriding Jewish loyalty apparent in Perle’s actions, that is indeed a breathtaking display of power."

- Professor Kevin B. MadDonald, Understanding Jewish Influence - A Study in Ethnic Activism (2004)

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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 27, 2008 at 6:39 am

Islam must purify Islam - reform from outside will only add to their anger. The incentive to reform must be a quarantine of Muslims until they decide that their culture must change. It was Christians who put a stop to the horrors of the inquisition, the excesses of reformation and, more recently, the inhumanity of Nazis and the KKK. There are minimum standards of decency to which all societies must adhere to earn the regard of others. We must demand acceptance of those standards by those who would live among us.

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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 27, 2008 at 9:37 am

Curious how the public here seems to studiously ignore the mistreatment of women in Muslim countries. Some quite shocking things happen there. I know people who spent many years there and have told me what they have seen.
In meantime, I understand Middle East oil moneyed people are buying up Manhattan, into U.S. companies etc. So their influence (money, power) may in fact lead to societal/political influence here. At this point they stay sort of under the radar. But it is telling that Muslims who claim to be moderate are silent when cases of abuse hit the news media.
On the other hand, the complete fawning support over Israel by some U.S. politicians/powerful media is also an issue to me.
Somehow I think the U.S. needs to disengage from the Middle East so we don't have a bullseye on us for supporting Israel in lock step and financially.

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Posted by Go to it, smart ones!!
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 27, 2008 at 10:35 am

Again, nobody is slandering an entire group of people. The only ones who believe that these posts about the fanatics are posts slandering all Muslims are those who themselves do, for example, Jews, Christians, Republicans etc.

Walter, you are right. Let's hope the smart majority of Muslims start reforming their fanatic brethren.

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Posted by Reality Check
a resident of another community
on Jul 27, 2008 at 7:55 pm

The reported results would be at least the same if you were to substitute "American Fundamentalist Christians" for "British Muslim" - try it yourself:

ALMOST a third of American Fundamentalist Christian students believe killing in the name of God/Jesus can be justified, according to a poll.

The study also found that two in five American Fundamentalist Christians at university support the incorporation of Biblic codes into American law.

Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 27, 2008 at 8:22 pm

Reality Check,

You may, or may not, be correct. However you need to provide your evidence, along with context. Perhps I missed it. If so, I apologize. Nevertheless, please provide evidence for your utterances.

I am not aware of Christian fanatics that hijacked airplanes and flew them into buildings. However, I might be wrong about this. Please correct me. I am aware that Tim McVey bombed a building, and he was loosely connected to Chritian identiy stuff, but most Christians condemned him, unlike so-called moderate Muslims, who remained remarkably silent after 9/11. There is a huge difference.

Please provide some reality for us, if you can.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm

The choice of talking about Christianity, albeit American Fundamentalist Christians, as a substitute in this article for British Muslims is just not on. The point of this which is worrying is that the UK is a traditionally Christian country. They have a national religion of which the Queen is its spiritual head.

Consequently, changing from traditional Christian values to anything else is what is most worrying. The fact that these values are now in favor of killing in the name of religion which was never there before shows a complete change around of ideals.

Christian values, like it or not, are what this country has been established on even though religion has never had a part in it. To allow killing for the sake of any religion here is abhorrent to everyone, except it seems for a very few who like to kill abortionists and seemingly Muslims who would kill for the sake of promoting their own religion.

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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 28, 2008 at 2:06 am

Reality Check: "ALMOST a third of American Fundamentalist Christian students believe killing in the name of God/Jesus can be justified, according to a poll."

Did you see who consucted that poll? They're a lunatic bunch. Do your homework before spouting off.

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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 28, 2008 at 7:28 am

Patriot, this is the first time we agree.

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