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How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried

Original post made by Sharon, Old Palo Alto, on Jul 19, 2008



In the greatest movement of people the world has ever seen, China is secretly working to turn the entire continent into a new colony.

Reminiscent of the West's imperial push in the 18th and 19th centuries - but on a much more dramatic, determined scale - China's rulers believe Africa can become a 'satellite' state, solving its own problems of over-population and shortage of natural resources at a stroke.

With little fanfare, a staggering 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa over the past decade. More are on the way.

The strategy has been carefully devised by officials in Beijing, where one expert has estimated that China will eventually need to send 300 million people to Africa to solve the problems of over-population and pollution.

The government in Khartoum has helped the feared Janjaweed militia to rape, murder and burn to death more than 350,000 people.

The Chinese - who now buy half of all Sudan's oil - have happily provided armoured vehicles, aircraft and millions of bullets and grenades in return for lucrative deals. Indeed, an estimated £1billion of Chinese cash has been spent on weapons.


According to one veteran diplomat: 'China is easier to do business with because it doesn't care about human rights in Africa - just as it doesn't care about them in its own country. All the Chinese care about is money.'Web Link

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Posted by John
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Jul 19, 2008 at 4:21 pm

How about the huge copper mines China is developing in South America. They are taking down a whole mountain in Peru and exploiting the indigenous people, who still live in abject poverty.


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Posted by ng
a resident of Hoover School
on Jul 19, 2008 at 4:28 pm



Look like they are raping the environment in Africa also

"Confucius Institutes (state-funded Chinese 'cultural centres') have sprung up throughout Africa, as far afield as the tiny land-locked countries of Burundi and Rwanda, teaching baffled local people how to do business in Mandarin and Cantonese.

Massive dams are being built, flooding nature reserves. The land is scarred with giant Chinese mines, with 'slave' laborers paid less than £1 a day to extract ore and minerals.

Pristine forests are being destroyed, with China taking up to 70 per cent of all timber from Africa."


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Posted by John
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Jul 19, 2008 at 4:44 pm

And Obama and McCain are still looking at Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. They are both so far out of it; neither of them really knows what is going on in the rest of the world, much less developing a policy to deal with it.


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Posted by samuel
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 19, 2008 at 4:54 pm



China is actively expanding its influence in Africa to secure supplies of natural resources, to counter Western political and economic influence while expanding China's global influence, and to further isolate Taiwan.

As a result, Chinese support for political and economic repression in Africa is countering the liberalizing influences of Africa's tra≠ditional European and American partners.

It is in the U.S. national interest to address these develop≠ments in Africa by deftly encouraging democratic processes, economic freedom, and respect for human rights across the African continent.


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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:59 pm

This is a direct consequence of the divestment now crowd, who refused to allow the Sullivan principals to work and forced the sale of western interests in South Africa at fire sale prices - to Asians who had no interest at all in developing native management.


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Posted by Huh
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm

Wow the Chinese sound ... just like us ;-)


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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 20, 2008 at 9:11 am

What are the Chinese Sullivan Principles?


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Posted by Huh
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jul 20, 2008 at 9:54 am

I meant us at a similar stage of political and industrial development, say 50-100 years ago.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:05 pm

China is on the move, no doubt about it.

Africa has resources, Silicon Valley has technical secrets and opportunities, military research facilities have secrets, etc. Palo Alto schools now have mandated a Mandarin Immersion program. China targets all of these opportunities, as only a socialist government can do.

If the West wants to counter China's influence, it will need to take the gloves off, and actually compete. Wouldn't it be better that black Africans were actually employed by Western neo-imperilaists, and folded into the system, instead of being rejected by Chinese racists? Either way, the resources of Africa will be extracted. The West needs to be openly greedy, while also showing oppotunity.

The West also needs to maintain military superiority.

That approach will counter China. Olympic boycotts will not.


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Posted by Gary's estranged wife
a resident of another community
on Jul 20, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Ah, Gary, trolling for more suffering. What a jackass!


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Posted by I agree with Gary
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 20, 2008 at 4:11 pm

China is already raping Burma of their resources, and making deals with the Burmese government, while at the same selling weapons to the rebel groups to fight the Burmese Military.

Indonesia and Eastern Malaysia (Sarawak - formerly Borneo) have similar problems with their natural resources.

We must be careful of allowing them access to our technology secrets in drug development, military defense, and computer technology.

They do not agree with patent laws. I was told "Those are your laws and not ours".

I think it will be near impossible to change the mentality of an entire nation, which is not accustomed to working for corporations, but individuals working for themselves.

PS. I happen to like Gary's post's. (Don't listen to her)


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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 20, 2008 at 5:33 pm

The wife of a jackass is a Jenny, I believe.
Hi, Jenny.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 20, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Walter,

Very perceptive on your part. Her name WAS Jenny, and mine was Jack.

Back in the day, when we were getting along, we were just two young burros in love. My problems started with that good lookin' mare in the far corner of the pasture....

I had to change my name.


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Posted by Wallis E. Walter
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 20, 2008 at 7:39 pm

sometimes backwards things get I


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Posted by Relax take it easy
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Jul 20, 2008 at 8:42 pm

In the next decade the Chinese will change the rules of the work in US - by making the US worker obsolete.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 20, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Relax,

USA workers could be building and operating USA nuclear power plants. They could be drilling for oil within USA territorial waters. They could be mining uranium in New Mexico. They could me drilling in ANWAR. They could be teachers in schools, paid for by educational vouchers. USA workers could research, develop and operate automated agricultural equipment. USA workers could develop oil shale within the USA. USA students could actually compete for world-class educational opportunities, instead of whining about their entitlements.

All of the above are opposed or inhibited by USA leftists.


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Posted by you people make me sick
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 20, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Your racist fear mongering against China brings to light your own ineptitude and laziness. Fat Americans, lazy, in debt, glued to the tv, arrogant, stupid, uneducated


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Posted by you people make me sick
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 20, 2008 at 10:06 pm

Your American kids all do drugs, drink, smoke, and have under-aged sex.

Your adults are prescription drug dependent, and you piss on Hispanics.


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Posted by Work Smart Not Hard
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Jul 20, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Why work when the Chinese can do that for you.


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Posted by Vote with your brain
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 20, 2008 at 10:39 pm

IC and Berry Obambi will save us all, right?

Think again Web Link



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Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 20, 2008 at 11:02 pm

YPMMS, Americans and Chinese are good people. It's thier _governments_ that show a great difference. One if imperfect, powerful, and subject to harsh self-examination - that's America. The other is imperfect, powerful, and run by the worst kind of thug. I feel sorry, really sorry, for the Chinese people, who have suffered for _millenia_ from abuse heaped on them by one abusive leader after another, including the current regime.

You sound like trouble, but just to help you along, here's a few things you should know, from someone who recently returned from Zambia....
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" China is raping Africa, economically, because they can, because there's not enough motivation for the rest of the world to blow the whistle. So Africans stay poor and keep battling AIDS and malaria - as long as you can still get your value meal at McDonald's in Peoria, that's all that really matters to you, right?

"You know how much gasoline costs in Zambia? Almost 9,000 Zambian Kwacha per litre. That's about $2.80 a litre depending on the day's exchange rate. There's about 3.75 litres to a gallon, right? Zambians pay $10.50 a gallon for gas. And people in the US are crying foul whilst trading in their SUVs...

"Why does gas there cost that much? Because the Chinese are smart - they realized that to gain a solid bargaining position, the best thing to control to a land-locked country in Africa was the overland trucking industry. They have a stranglehold on it, and anything they ship into the country comes at whatever premiums they choose. And they maintain this through a complex series of bribes to the political leaders of whatever port host-country it is easiest / cheapest for them to move oil, et. al. through. That's just gas. But of course it takes gas to get food, clothing, building materials, or really anything else for that matter, to market. You can't get a decent meal for under $10 in Zambia.

"And so an otherwise completely fertile country sits pretty much stagnant as China swiftly relieves it of its natural resources - shipping off valuable copper to neighboring countries where it can be refined. Zambia sees little to nothing in the way of recompense. Again here, political leaders taking pay-offs to look the other way. They're president has been (theoretcially) off in a French military hospital for the last month, for crying out loud.

"Why would China bother to do business with Africans in Africa, when its much cheaper to pay off a powerful few, and do business with no one? As long as the rest of the developed world isn't going to step in, it will still be Chinese weapons that ZANU-PF uses to keep Mugabe rich and the rest of the people starved. It will still be Chinese aircraft scorching the earth of Darfur's destitute villages. It will still be China leaching the natural resource out of every country here not sufficiently structured to defend itself from a greedy older sibling on the planet when there are no parents to set rules.

"Instead, we, the collective free countries of the world, go to Beijing to play in the games and pretend that China isn't propagating mass suffering in the dark continent, let alone raping the environment in their own.

"But at least I can get great Chinese food here, right?"


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Posted by Boycott Chinese Food Here
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 20, 2008 at 11:09 pm

"But at least I can get great Chinese food here, right?"

If you like spit in it.

And supporting a business that does not accurately report their true earnings, by grossly under reporting their earnings to pay federal and state taxes. Sales tax too.


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Posted by History repeating, again
a resident of another community
on Jul 20, 2008 at 11:49 pm

China will take over Africa.
It will then look something more like what was envisioned by the european nations in the last century. This will mean once again more enslavement of the black man by others.

When you invite the devil to your table for dinner he will never leave. When will the Black man understand this.

Not in your great great great grand child's lifetime will this come to pass. Therefore you will see nation building with China masters and black man slaves.

Come to think of it this is how the pyramids were built.

Now learn from history and change your destiny or you will live under a dynasty.


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Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 21, 2008 at 1:09 am

China has been in bed with Sudanese and Zimbabwean butchers for decades. Chine is in Africa to see what it can take out, period. For instance, a trip to rural China would lead most to thinking that Soweto looked more like Manhattan, in comparison. So, if the Chinese government treats its own people like trash, you can imagine what it's going to do for a people (Africans) that it considers subhuman.

btw, Here's more on India's interest in Africa. We'll be hearing more about this as America continues to sink in world importance, relative to these two giants.

Here are some recent articles on India's push for Africa's resources.

New Delhi rushes to catch up to Beijing in race for commodities
www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&fArticleId=4336104

India moves to cement African partnership
www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&fArticleId=4345338

India loosens purse strings to cultivate resource-rich Africa
www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=4343928


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Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 21, 2008 at 1:11 am

Here are some recent articles on India's push for Africa's resources, with HTML set up for linking...

New Delhi rushes to catch up to Beijing in race for commodities

Web Link

India moves to cement African partnership

Web Link

India loosens purse strings to cultivate resource-rich Africa

Web Link


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Posted by TROUBLING NEWS
a resident of another community
on Jul 21, 2008 at 1:37 am

You stupid latte sipping, ipod buying, global warming fools, you californians are, go ahead and vote for Obama after all he is the candidate of choice. Yes, the choice of CHINA.
You do remember the old saying of to find crime, follow the money. Here is the trail now you can figure it out.

OBAMA'S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING

Certainly the most interesting and potentially devastating phone call I have received during this election cycle came this week from one of the Obamas campaign internet geeks. These are the staffers who devised Obamas internet fund raising campaign which raised in the neighborhood of $200 million so far. That is more then twice the total funds raised by any candidate in history and this was all from the internet campaign.

What I learned from this insider was shocking but I guess we shouldn't be surprised that when it comes to fund raising there simply are no rules that can't be broken and no ethics that prevail.

Obama's internet campaign started out innocently enough with basic e-mail networking , lists saved from previous party campaigns and from supporters who visited any of the Obama campaign web sites.
Small contributions came in from these sources and the internet campaign staff were more than pleased by the results.

Then, about two months into the campaign the daily contribution intake multiplied. Where was it coming from? One of the web site security monitors began to notice the bulk of the contributions were clearly coming in from overseas internet service providers and at the rate and frequency of transmission it was clear these donations were programmed by a very sophisticated user.

While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .

>>> Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.

It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from sources other than American voters. This was discussed at length within the campaign and the decision was made that none of these donations violated campaign financing laws.

It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the campaign to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual source (specific credit card number or bank transfer account numbers) to insure that none of these internet contributors exceeded the legal maximum donation on a cumulative basis of many small donations. They also found the record keeping was not complete enough to do it anyway.

This is a shocking revelation.

We have been concerned about the legality of bundling contributions after the recent exposure of illegal bundlers but now it appears we may have an even greater problem.

I guess we should have been somewhat suspicious when the numbers started to come out. We were told (no proof offered) that the Obama internet contributions were from $10.00 to $25.00 or so.

If the $200,000,000 is right, and the average contribution was $15.00, that would mean over 13 million individuals made contributions? That would also be 13 million contributions would need to be processed. How did all that happen?

I believe the Obama campaign's internet fund raising needs a serious, in depth investigation and audit. It also appears the whole question of internet fund raising needs investigation by the legislature and perhaps new laws to insure it complies not only with the letter of these laws but the spirit as well


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Posted by disgusted
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 21, 2008 at 6:52 am

If it was good enough for Clinton, it is good enough for Obama.

You all have to remember, until the last 7 years, our country has been dominated by the political left, who founded the saying "better red than dead", and who hadn't read any history since they were 12.

So, we get the claptrap of idiots who really believe that China sounds like US 50-100 years ago. ( See one of the posts above). This kind of relativistic thinking has led to what is happening now. Really, just how bad can China be? It is COMMUNIST, therefore SO DIFFERENT from, say, FASCIST. Not seeing that, as usual, Fascists and Communists make great bedfellows, since both powere structures have no "bosses" and can do what they want.

Whenever we try to open trade with Africa, we have leftists in Europe screaming about genetically modified foods, we have leftists worldwide screaming about "taking advantage of" people, we have leftists here screaming about "taking away our union jobs".

Even in the last 7 years, Bush and about 7 Republicans went over to the dark side by giving up the fight. Very disappointing. McCain was one of them. He doesn't understand econonics, and the power of economic interdependence with Africa. They DID get it right with China, but not enough right to maintain a power balance.

I give up. I finally accept that the West has grown too complacent to continue to survive for long. Too weak to overcome their own laziness, too short sighted to see the results one generation from now of policies enacted now.

What is that old saw about when more people in a country get more than they give, democracy will fail? We are close to that now.

Maybe we should enact a law that says a voter can not have received any public funds for anything for the 2 years before an election, so that we can start to turn the tide of the "give me all of it, now" votes. Then maybe we can start to get some of our national character back, before we have to have a war to do it. And I don't mean the kind of war we are fighting now, I mean the kind of war that will either kill us or make us stronger.

Makes me happy I won't have any grandchildren to pass this nation onto, and where it is headed.


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 21, 2008 at 9:07 am

it does seem federal-level politicians are in a race to see which one can promise more to the voter...more taxpayer money, that is...and it isn't endless!


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Posted by Conscience
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 21, 2008 at 11:57 am

Back to Africa. the Chinese need a lot of their raw materials so that they can make stuff cheap, for US. We're part of this mess.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 21, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Typical Bush screwup. He bets the store on "liberating" a small country while allowing a whole continent to slip away to the people that he borrows the money from to finance his crusade. Let's be careful about condemning China. It might get irritated and foreclose on that Bush mortgage.


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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm


We deal with China because their merchandise is cheap. China deals with us because our politicians are cheap. Everybody likes bargains.


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Posted by Good one, Walter
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 21, 2008 at 3:30 pm

The whole world buys Chinese "cheap" stuff. Bully for them. The problem is that we have allowed a trade deficit bigger than Paul's ego.

Of course, everything is always Bush's fault, so let's blame Paul's ego on Bush also.

Walter, a great pithy line! Good one! Did you make it up?





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Posted by tj
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 21, 2008 at 4:38 pm



Sounds like China's modern version of the ''East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere''. The silence from the Eco-nuts is deafening.

China will turn much of Africa into a colony within 30 years and any part they get their hands upon will be treated with as much respect as they have their own land: they will destroy it. Look for more desert expansion, extinction of species, deforestation and of course complete silence from the watermelon enviroweenie groups.


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Posted by watermelon enviroweenies
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Jul 21, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Sharon has a way with words: "more desert expansion, extinction of species, deforestation... ." We couldn't have said it better. Welcome her to the club.


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Posted by Walter E. Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 21, 2008 at 5:32 pm

That was original - I try to attribute when possible. Bring it by and I'll autograph it.


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Posted by Boycott Interracial Marriage
a resident of Monroe Park
on Jul 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm

Boycott intermarriage between Whites and Chinese.


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