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Cameras may lead to shooting suspect

Original post made on Jul 15, 2008

Surveillance cameras in the Palo Alto City Hall garage may have caught images of the shooting victim and the man who shot him at 1:45 a.m. Sunday, and police are trying to enhance those images, Police Agent Dan Ryan said.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 4:03 PM

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Posted by More-Surveillance-Cameras
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2008 at 5:42 pm

The current police chief has been hostile to the idea of having surveillance cameras installed for the protection of people using the downtown and train depot areas. Let's hope that the cameras yield some information.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Yes, let's hope the CCTV does provide useful information and then perhaps people will understand why we need more.


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Posted by for cctv
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 15, 2008 at 6:36 pm

we should use cctv downtown. it works for the uk. each camera is like one police officer. if the police department cant find qualified applicants then cameras can definitely assist them with deterring and catching criminals. and for the people who are concerned about privacy; if your in public you should not expect privacy anyway.


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Posted by Ed
a resident of another community
on Jul 15, 2008 at 6:44 pm

typically it is the residents who are opposed to the cameras...big brother or something silly like that. the vocal minority numbers always win...time to speak up at the city council meetings.


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Posted by cecil
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 15, 2008 at 7:02 pm

I read that the victim died as a result of a gunshot wound to the head. Hooligans from EPA or Redwood City need to be stopped. I'm betting the shooter hailed from one of the two locales. Also, the city needs to curb all the late night bar crowds. I get to hear all the drunken Facebookers coming back into my neighborhood in the wee Friday morning hours after their night on University Ave. Many of us have kids and early morning jobs.Grow up folks, college is over.


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Posted by Mitchell Zimmerman
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 15, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Perhaps those who are skeptical about the value of putting us all under surveillance have actually studied the issue of whether these cameras reduce crime. The answer appears to be no. See Web Link reporting on studies of this issue including the UK, where they have 4.2 million cameras keeping an eye on everyone all the time. Yes, how silly to worry about big brother. Or the constitution. Or freedom of association. Let's simply Trust the Authorities! If we installed these cameras in everyone's home, and had lots of police officers monitoring everyone, we would stop a certain number of crimes, too. Do we want to live in that kind of society?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Michael

The UK police were able to post pictures of the suicide bombers in the London Underground and Bus incidents within a short space of time and these guys were named and their cohorts caught very quickly. Likewise, when Heathrow managed to prevent US bound planes from being blown up CCTV managed to help solve the crimes.

I don't think either of these incidents merit no success.

This report you linked was a US report, all reports from UK media support CCTV and so do the public. Remember, the public in the UK has been used to terrorists for decades due to the IRA bombing innocent targets and the public are very eager to be protected.


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Posted by Reader
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2008 at 7:55 pm

A report in the SF Chronicle today says that San Francisco may be removing all their surveillance cameras because nobody ever looks at them, and operating them is a waste of money.


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Posted by Alex
a resident of another community
on Jul 15, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Phil was a great guy we played high school football together. I just can't believe this happened to such a nice person. Hopefully they catch this coward and put him behind bars because honestly why shoot someone when you already took all their stuff. Imagine what else this coward can do if not caught soon. More deaths may occur. Rest in peace my friend I'll cherish the times we had in high school.


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Posted by Elena
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 15, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Alex -

My sincere sympathy for the loss of your friend. It is a true tragedy.

I totally agree with your sentiment about the coward who did it. He is the most dangerous kind of criminal - one who doesn't care that he's right outside the police station, or that there are witnesses around. He's capable of doing anything, and needs to be stopped - permanently - before he kills again.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:20 am

"typically it is the residents who are opposed to the cameras...big brother or something silly like that."

How eager our more timid citizens can be to surrender their freedom for some vague illusion of security. What's really amazing is the author quoted above doesn't live anywhere near the scene of the crime. I live a few blocks from it; I spend a lot of time downtown, and I don't want Big Government watching me.


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:57 am

Cameras don't work miracles. This happened with a camera, the police station around the corner and witnesses. It was a reckless, though probably premeditated, crime.

Only thing I could see making a difference on this one is if the creep had been unable to get his hand on a gun--but that's really unlikely in this country.

Every illegally owned gun was once legal. The more guns out there, the more guns that can be resold and stolen. It's a numbers game. One of those big problems with those everyone-has-a-concealed-gun is that it always assumes that the bad guys don't get the weapons from the good guys.


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:16 am

In fact this was brazen criminal activity close to a police station - it really IS scary and this perp needs to be caught and taken off the streets ASAP
I support cameras in known crime-ridden areas. While the deterrence factor is debated, the fact is the camera can help catch and convict criminals.


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Posted by Smile
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:30 am

There's a movie named "Look" in which most of the footage is from surveillance cameras. It claims we are on cameras some 200 times per day. I think cameras to keep people in line are fine. If I am not a criminal, I don't care if I am on camera. They have found abductors and criminals from surveillance camera footage. To those who don't want to be watched, you probably AREN'T being watched. They only view the footage when they are looking for criminals.


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Posted by Not from EPA or RWC
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 16, 2008 at 2:35 pm

"Hooligans from EPA or Redwood City need to be stopped. I'm betting the shooter hailed from one of the two locales."

Who knows if the shooter has ties to either community, but is said he resides in Gilroy. Thugs are everywhere. Those who prey on others look for the right opportunity and they're aren't relegated to RWC & EPA. PA has had its own gangs in the past. PA had a man w/a gun in someone's backyard, shooting into a dwelling. PA had a murder in its midst recently. Violent crime can, & does, happen anywhere & everywhere. While the number of incidents is higher in RWC & EPA, it doesn't mean PA is immune. Young men often target other young men - maybe who that's who you should be bashing - it's just as idiotic as the constant assumptions on this board about here thugs come from - there are LOTS of cities in the bay area w/thugs!

In this age of spiraling oil prices, rapidly increasing meth use & an uneven economy, crime may increase, just as it does during the holidays.


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Posted by Concerned Citizen
a resident of another community
on Jul 16, 2008 at 3:39 pm

"In this age of spiraling oil prices, rapidly increasing meth use & an uneven economy, crime may increase, just as it does during the holidays."

Maybe you should represent this murderer in court. "Your Honor, my client couldn't pay for the gas for his 1990 Honda Accord, and he was unwilling to sell his chrome rims and 500W sound system. Thus he had no choice but to do what he did."

Anyone who is complacent about murder in their own town, or places the blame anywhere except on the thug who did this is a sad individual.


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Posted by Michele
a resident of another community
on Jul 16, 2008 at 6:40 pm

The sad thing is a young man has died at the hands of another young man.
These days taking another life seems so easy for these kids.
When will it stop?


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Posted by figgy
a resident of Atherton
on Jul 16, 2008 at 9:35 pm

god rest his soul... and all those who die for senseless reasons in the world. I now live in a world where many kill with not the slightest concern for (what it means to exist=life). Life is the MOST PRECIOUS GIFT given to us by god, yet so many people are NUMB to how neat simple existence is.
religious fanatics kill in the name of GOD......but the TRUTH is this:
THE MURDERS THEY COMMIT DISGRACE US ALL(HUMAN RACE) BEFORE GOD and sometimes it almost saddens me to be HUMAN....




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Posted by Calvin
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 17, 2008 at 1:02 am

These days taking another life seems so easy for these kids.

these days... im sure.


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Posted by concerned parent
a resident of another community
on Jul 19, 2008 at 1:17 pm

My heart goes out to Phil's family and all his caring friends for this senseless murder. Can't young men and women go out to celebrate and have a good time together without fearing for their lives? What is wrong with this society? This murderer didn't have any regards for a human's life and is probably desperate and cowardly and will kill again.


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