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Barack Obama apology for moving Muslim women away from cameras

Original post made by Jane, Professorville, on Jun 18, 2008

London TimesWeb Link

Barack Obama's campaign apologised today to two Muslim women who were moved from behind the podium at a rally in Detroit earlier this week because volunteers wanted to prevent headscarves appearing in photographs and TV shots.
A spokesman said the decision was "offensive and counter" to Mr Obama's "commitment to bring Americans together".
But this incident reflects the sensitivity of a campaign which has spent months rebutting false rumours that Mr Obama is a secret Muslim - and the past 48 hours fighting charges he is soft on terrorism.


Getting crowded under that bus. Obambi's gonna have to get a bigger one.

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Posted by ng
a resident of Hoover School
on Jun 18, 2008 at 5:32 pm

"And, you know, let's take the example of Guantanamo," Obama said in the interview. "What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks--for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center--we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial."

The Obama antiterror strategy is to wait until terrorists kill American civilians, then arrest them and put them on trial. Of course, when we tried that in the 1990s, the eventual result was another attack on the World Trade Center.
This one was far more successful, destroying the complex and multiplying the death toll nearly 500-fold.

Oh, and the men who carried out the attack were never arrested and put on trial, because it was a suicide attack.
Another failure of the Bush administration!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 18, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Very interesting how this news item came here from the foreign press and the domestic media seems to have ignored it.

Looking at this situation it was a lose/lose one. If he had left them there he would have been criticised and moving them was wrong to.

Seems that religion issues just won't go away.


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Posted by Kate
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jun 19, 2008 at 11:53 am

Barack Obama is doing his best to distance himself from Islam. The facts are clear though - He did have two fathers who were Muslim. He did have an Atheist mother and he did attend a Wahabi school in Jakarta. He did swear into his political office using the Koran, not the Holy Bible. He can play all his usual Chicago dirty political tricks, but those facts remain. Vote for McCain. He is neither right nor left. McCain is in the middle and that's where most Americans are also. McCain will get some of the oil out of the ground, build additional refineries and begin some long-term alternative fuel programs that will come on line and enable us to use much less oil in the future, which is a goal that everyone holds. Obama will prevent us from drilling for our own oil before we have any viable alternative strategies in play. He's naive and approaching this problem in the wrong order. If you want $12.00/gallon oil, vote for Obama. If you want a common-sense, pro-American approach to this problem, VOTE FOR McCain.


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Posted by naturalized citizen
a resident of Community Center
on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Geez, Kate, so much for separation of church and state. What of it that he didn't use the bible for swearing into office? Your attitude and the fact that it's shared by so many underscores how this country is still a Christian nation. The separation thing is just lip service.
The notion of a melting pot still has unwritten rules of which peoples may join in. People from the wrong religion or culture or country are not generally welcome, despite all the idealistic rhetoric.

As a nation we've moved past openly saying let's not vote for someone based on skin color - even though that's the thought inside some people's heads - but we haven't yet moved past the line where dismissing people based on their religion or ethnic background is equally ugly.

I'm sorry to say that I don't have enough confidence in the American people as a whole to be willing to vote Obama into office.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Ventura
on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:37 pm

No, Kate, you have revealed yourself to be a smearmonger.

You are conflating a gentleman named Keith Ellison, a Congressman
from Michigan, who is a Muslim and did use a Koran instead
of a Bible for his swearing-in ceremony, with Senator Obama.

Obama, who is a Christian, used a personally-owned copy of
the Bible in his swearing-in ceremony.

These kinds of lies, repeated via email and by clueless folks like yourself, seem to be a big part of the GOP strategy this year (gee, I wonder why....)

Feel like apologizing for spreading vicious falsehoods?


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Posted by The Center Will Not Hold
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm

"Vote for McCain. He is neither right nor left."

Really? McCain backed away from campaign finance reform. After taking an initial brave stand against torture, he supported it. He favors overturning Roe v. Wade. He wants more justices like Roberts. He is a flip-flopper, and each flop takes him closer to the extreme right wing of the GOP.

Doesn't sound like the center to me. Maybe you had another McCain in mind. Someone, perhaps, who is not mesmerized by the allure of power...


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Posted by samuel
a resident of Stanford
on Jun 19, 2008 at 1:18 pm


Actually 85% of the US population identifies themselves as Christian.

The separation clause was designed to not establish any specific sect of Christianity after the religious wars in Europe.

Christianity is at the foundation of the American Civilization.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm

obama's nat'l security working group - "different"? sam nunn, william perry - "different"? warren christopher - "different"? obama voters are in for world of surprise...

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
Senator David Boren, former Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Secretary of State Warren Christopher
Greg Craig, former director of the State Department Office of Policy Planning
Secretary of the Navy Richard Danzig
Representative Lee Hamilton, former Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee
Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder
Dr. Tony Lake, former National Security Advisor
Senator Sam Nunn, former Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Secretary of Defense William Perry
Dr. Susan Rice, former Assistant Secretary of State
Representative Tim Roemer, 9/11 Commissioner
Jim Steinberg, former Deputy National Security Advisor


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Posted by Peace Through Victory.
a resident of Ohlone School
on Jun 19, 2008 at 3:26 pm









More historical illiteracy from the Democrats:

Barack Obama said yesterday he would bring Osama bin Laden to justice in a way that wouldn't allow the Sept. 11 mastermind to become a martyr.
At a Washington news conference after huddling for the first time with a newly formed group of national security advisers, he acknowledged that bin Laden might not be taken alive, but suggested that if he is, the Nazi war crime trials at Nuremberg after World War II would be a good model.

Uhhh . . . Sen. Obama . . . ummm . . . the main Nuremberg defendants were hanged. Goering and Ley committed suicide, Bormann was tried in absentia, Krupp was too sick to appear, Funk and Hess got life sentences, Donitz, Raeder, Speer, von Neurath and von Schirach got shorter prison terms, Fritszche, subbing for Goebbels, was acquitted, along with von Papen and Schacht.

But the big fish--Frank, Frick, Jodl, Kaltenbrunner, Keitel, Ribbentrop, Rosenberg, Sauckel, Seyss-Inquart, and Streicher--were executed. That is, the main generals, administrators of the Holocaust, and ideologists.

Maybe Obama thinks Osama is just a construction engineer like Osama's father or Speer.

And the seven main defendants in the Tokyo war crimes trial were also hanged.

Does anybody in the Obama camp know any history? Do any of them realize that Osama would paint himself as a martyr even if all he got was a life sentence?

Glibness, thy name is Barack Obama.
Posted by Stephen Schwartz at 11:52 AM


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 19, 2008 at 3:30 pm

mr. obama, cell phone records please

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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 19, 2008 at 3:47 pm

obama conspicuously missing from eavesdropping debate
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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 19, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Stephen Schwartz,

BINGO!

I would only add that criminal trials, in the middle of a war, compromise national security. The Nazi war crime trials at Nuremberg were held AFTER the Allied victory...not when Germany was only partially defeated. This current war against the jihadists is very likely to last for decades. We need to get on with business...and hanging, in real time, like we did Saddam, is a very good, and moral thing to do with these scum. In fact, any relatively selective way that kills them, and their supporters, is a good thing. The only proven way to stop the jihadists, throughout history, is to beat them in battle. Ask Vlad The Impaler.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm

oh, gee, barry o now backs down on public financing

different? yeah, right...


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Posted by Suspicious
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 19, 2008 at 9:44 pm

These two women were plants put there by Obama's enemies, and we know who they are. A photograph of Obama could have been taken with two women behind him wearing Muslim head gear. Just think how his enemies could have used that picture over and over again.

This scene was no accident it was a cunningly devised attack to cripple Obama's chances in November. I wonder what the next attack will be.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 19, 2008 at 9:50 pm

just think how nobama could have used this to help repair american-muslim relations - "different"?


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Posted by Kate
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jun 20, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Resident - Seems to me that it's you that has the problem with the idea that Obama used the Koran to be sworn into office. How could it possible be a "vicious" falsehood unless you are ashamed or offended by the fact itself.

Are you going to ask Suspicious and The Center Will Not Hold to apologize for their blantant lies. Probably not because they're on your side. It's funny how you never notice that.

Naturalized Citizen - I'm not the one that moved two Muslim women from behind Obama's podium because it would cause a problem with Obama's voting public. Seems to me that the Obama campaign is the culprit. Think about it.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm

"These two women were plants put there by Obama's enemies"

Suspicious, Really? Is Obama willing to assert this?


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Posted by truthteller
a resident of Midtown
on Jun 22, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Kate, normally I agree with you...but in this case you are wrong. It wasn't Barack, it was Ellison, with the koran ( not that it matters..since a holy book is a holy book..but I have to wonder why Jews don't swear in with JUST the Jewish scriptures??)

But, in all else, you are dead on.

Why is it "damaging" if it is Barack with two Muslim women in head garb, but it would be "helpful" if it were McCain with 2 Muslim women in head garb? Could it be because we all know that Obama is the candidate of choice for Al-Qaeda? ( Look it up, it has been cited MANY times who has openly supported Obama).


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:13 pm

When you wave the SCOTUS flag, I'd like to point out that once he got what he wanted from them, Obama seems to be headed to the right on issues that matter to his supporters - FISA/telcom immunity, NAFTA/free trade, he promised to accept public financing for the general election and then did a 180. Universal health care is my biggest issue this election and Obama's plan is not universal, one of his advisors helped kill UHC in the early 90s, and he ran "Harry and Louise" ads against Hillary's UHC plan during the primaries. I don't trust him to do anything positive about this. What I see is a pattern in which Barack Obama only stands for what is politically advantageous for Barack Obama.


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Posted by naturalized citizen
a resident of Community Center
on Jun 23, 2008 at 9:47 am

"Naturalized Citizen - I'm not the one that moved two Muslim women from behind Obama's podium because it would cause a problem with Obama's voting public. Seems to me that the Obama campaign is the culprit. Think about it."
First, I'm not defending having those two women moved. My issue is with the general atmosphere in this country that makes such a move even occur to someone. You think about it.


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Posted by dose of cold water
a resident of Midtown
on Jun 23, 2008 at 6:17 pm

to Naturalized:

There is no atmosphere in this country ...it is in the minds of the politician running for office and those who support him. The ones with the problem are the real racists... because they BELIEVE that most Americans have a problem with Muslims. NOT ONE poll or survey supports this. It is simply silliness. It goes along with many myths the far left has about this country and about Republicans and Conservatives.

To understand the Alice in Wonderland nature of the far left ( which is the Obama camp), where up is down and night is day, try reading one or both of the following books.

"Who Really Cares, the Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism."

"Why You're wrong about the Right: Behind the Myths: The Surprising Truth about Conservatives".

You will be amazed at learning that conservatives are more generous, more educated, less racist, less sexist etc than their counterparts, and the DATA that supports it.

You will be amazed to learn which policies actually help the poor and education the MOST, and which enslave people into poverty.

Given the template of our media, unfortunately you will always read and hear interpretations that feed the myths. For example, you never hear that someone is against Obama because he is a socialist passivist, you hear that someone is against him because he is black. That is as absurd as saying that someone is against McCain because he is white. At least, I hope that is absurd.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2008 at 9:56 am

Now he is being quoted as being misinterpreting the Bible, something sad for someone who has apparently been sitting in Church for at least the past 25 years. What did he spend his time there learning?


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