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Obama's Remarks Give Clinton an Opening

Original post made by jr, Professorville, on Apr 13, 2008



A political tempest over Barack Obama's comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.

The Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

"The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich," she said.

"People don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."



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Posted by mike w b
a resident of College Terrace
on Apr 13, 2008 at 2:04 pm




There's a great deal more than arrogance in the "bitter" remark.

There is a world view that will define Obama for many who gave him a look.
Many will see the combination of the remarks and the setting --a fund raiser in San Francisco-- as a sure sign that Obama is not to be trusted.
Talking trash about middle class voters in industrial states while the canapes are served by the bay doesn't work outside of the huge cities where poking fun at the rural and suburban rabble is an honored tradition.


But in the world of blogs and talk radio word is now getting out to the little people about how much the elites disdain them.




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Posted by Jane
a resident of Professorville
on Apr 13, 2008 at 2:16 pm



This seals the deal for me. I will never vote for Obama. Ever. His wife hates America, he looks down on working-class white people, including his own grandmother, and his pastor hates Jews.
Where on earth did the Democratic leadership get the idea this guy was mainstream and electable? His cult of personality is out of control.


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Posted by Hot Off The Press
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm


Obama's new campaign poster: Web Link


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Posted by Greg
a resident of Southgate
on Apr 13, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Barack supports nuclear power, so he does have rational thoughts. He is a very good speaker. Yes, there is a cult of personality going on here, but if it can be turned towards promoting nuclear power, for electricity production, that would be a great thing for this country, and for the world.Ironically, many of his own supporters oppose him on nuclear energy.

McCain supports nuclear, too. He also considers the arid areas, where water is at a premium, by considering Thorium reactors.

Hillary quibbles. Hard to know where she really stands. Depends on the audience, as usual, with her.

The safest bet, for the future of our country is McCain, however, Barack might be even better, because he could bring around his tribe of nuke resisters.

Interestimg times!


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 13, 2008 at 4:36 pm

Them consarned rednecks don't even have natural rhythm. And they can't jump.


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Posted by Curious
a resident of another community
on Apr 13, 2008 at 5:36 pm

Walter,

So what IS it like living the life of a bitter old man???


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Posted by A Boomer
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 13, 2008 at 7:08 pm

I find it interesting that a former member of the WalMart Board of Directors, who had some not so positive things to say about baking cookies, is accusing someone who chose to work as a community organizer in Chicago instead of a blue chip legal firm after graduating Harvard Law as elitist.

I also find it interesting that while Obama admitted that he could have chosen his words more carefully, while Hillary's exaggerations about conditions when she visited Bosnia get parsed by Bill and others instead of making a similar admission.

I had a conversation with a customer in Pennsylvania a couple weeks ago, before this little brouhaha surfaced. She more or less said to me that many people are so overwhelmed by Iraq, the economy, global warming, that they are not talking about those things, but instead the sort of stuff that is closer to home, like gun control and people with foreign accents moving into their communities. Sounds like Barack has his finger on the pulse, and is getting castigated for stating what he understands people to be feeling.

Oops, I wish I could take that back, I could have phrased it better.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 14, 2008 at 4:58 am

Bitter? Hey, curious, I care, and always have. I have hope, and always have. How does it feel to be a humorless Gamma?


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Posted by jr
a resident of Professorville
on Apr 14, 2008 at 2:14 pm



The latest Pennsylvania poll, based on interviews conducted over the weekend, shows Hillary Clinton with a shocking 20-point lead over Barack Obama, 57%-37%, with only 4% undecided. Until last weekend, the trend had been running in Obama's favor, so it's hard to attribute the turnaround to anything other than Obama's "bitter" gaffe.

Or maybe to Obama's advertising blitz, as 23% of likely Democratic primary voters said that excessive exposure to Obama's ads is making them more likely to vote for Clinton.


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Posted by Norm
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 14, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Are we supposed to believe Hilary is not a multi-million dollar elitist because she can go on a binge drinking tear and gorge on pizza?
Can a graduate of Wellesley College and Yale Law School (whose child graduated for Stanford) truly (or fairly/credibly) criticize a Harvard alum as being out of touch with the average American?
(Experience living in publicly owned housing loses its edge when one stint was the governor's digs in Little Rock and the other was the White House.)

Has Hilery backed off from ALL affluent hosts for private fund raisers?
(BTW-Have she paid of the loan due last week?)


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 14, 2008 at 11:05 pm

obama cannot win fl, oh, or pa against mccain Web Link

obama is another dukakis, or kerry; he's smart and a gifted orator, but he does not do well with the working class. middle america will not vote for obama agaist a social moderate like mccain. i hope the superdelegates are thinking hard about this, because if they aren't we're going to be watching president mccain deliver an inaugural address next january. hillary is the only one who can beat mccain


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 15, 2008 at 6:27 am

One has to admire our ability to separate the wheat from the chaff, then run the chaff.


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Posted by ol' lady
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 15, 2008 at 6:57 am

anyone who is "overwhelmed" by our economy and Iraq really does not deserve to be an American. give me a break....these are NOT difficult times.

what the hell is going to happen to this country when we actually hit
REAL hard times if this era is "hard" and makes folks fall apart?

Iraq has cost us what our k-12 education costs us in taxes in ONE year. Fewer people have died in 6 years of Iraq than died on some single days of WW2. We consume more than we have in the history of the world, but we are in "hard economic times".

unbelievable.

I am truly worried about the ability of America to survive with this kind of whining.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 15, 2008 at 11:09 am

"Iraq has cost us what our k-12 education costs us in taxes in ONE year."

you're wrong....and we could have rebuilt every school in america with the 3 trillion this war has cost so far.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm

Real book keeping assigns cost to alternatives. The cost of the alternative to putting Saddam down exceeds the cost of accomplishing that.


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Posted by um
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2008 at 3:53 pm

pam, not that its a trivial amount either, but the cost of the war so far is about $520 billion, not $3 trillion.


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Posted by Norm
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 15, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Um -
Are you including the ongoing medical and disability expenses for the injured veterans? Those are dollars we are now legally and morally bound to for the rest of their lives (shorter though they may be).


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 15, 2008 at 4:34 pm

um, you might want to reconsider your estimate of the war, after watching this.

Web Link


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Posted by um
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2008 at 6:51 pm

watched it and no

"this war has cost so far"

the talk predicts what it thinks the war will cost, not what it has cost.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 15, 2008 at 9:49 pm

um, refute the nobel prize winner and his harvard compatriot on rational grounds - you're guessing, they're not. . i'm betting on their estimates against yours...


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Posted by um
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2008 at 9:59 pm

We are just arguing semantics. Its not really relevant to the real question. Was this war mismanaged? Yes, I believe it was.


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Posted by ol' lady
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 16, 2008 at 10:39 am

Pam, you are hilarious....3 trillion? Ha-ha. If someone believes that, no wonder they think that the war is affecting our economy.

as for veteran's benefits...those are paid whether or not there is war, regardless of the injuries, to all retired military personnel.

do you know how many retired military we have in our country?


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Posted by ol' lady
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 16, 2008 at 10:44 am

um...VERY war is "mismanaged" in hindsight. Period.

Especially if analyzed by people who know nothing of what the knowledge was prior to going to war.

So what? Does it negate the good effects of the war? Does the mismanagement of the war in South Korea, and there was much, negate the obvious benefit of having won that war ( compare to N. Korea)? Of course not.

So, those of us whose heads are filled with accurate history, not a desire to undermine the future of a budding democracy, are betting that Iraq was, is, and will continue to be well worth it in human freedom, Middle East stability, and growing economic interdependence which leads to peace and prosperity.

Sort of like the effects of liberating Europe, Japan and South Korea, with all the horrors of "poorly managed" war.


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Posted by ol' lady
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 16, 2008 at 10:44 am

oops...EVERY....not VERY.

proving I'm ol'


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