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Middle East - new perspective by Rabbi Weiss

Original post made by Jag Singh, Los Altos, on Apr 2, 2008

Once again, Israel displayed its utter disregard for US efforts to broker a peace with the Palestinians. In flagrant violation of the terms of the 'road map', Israel announced plans to build 1,400 new homes in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. This
announcement came just hours after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanded that "settlement activity should stop, that its expansion should stop, that is indeed not consistent with 'road map' obligations." This is another example of Israel biting the hand
that feeds it billions of dollars (or more correctly 'euros' at Israel's insistence) to continue its oppression and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their ancestral lands. Why are we kowtowing to Israel with economic and military aid when it continues to defy all our efforts to bring about a peaceful resolution to the region? Israel must repudiate and accept responsibility for its decision to build these illegal settlements to achieve its extremist goal of annexing all of the Holy Land to create a 'Greater Israel.,' failing which US aid must be halted. This territorial transgression is the root cause of the seething hatred and endless cycle of violence that has ensued. I urge readers to listen to Rabbi Yisroel Weiss, a highly respected spiritual leader who offers a unique perspective on the ongoing conflict. Web Link

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Posted by Boaz
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 2, 2008 at 11:44 am

Jag--
"ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their ancestral lands"--those are pretty strong words--too bad your post, as usual, is one-sided. What about the ethnic cleansing of jews from their lands in arab countries.
What about the flagrant violations of Hamas with it's daily rocket attacks non Israel?
Yes, we know-in Jagland Israel is evil, always wrong, while the poor palestinians are oppressed martyrs who have been treated rightly and fairly by their arab brethern

you should have mentioned that this rabbi expresses your real feelings about Israel--that Israel should not exist at all.


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Posted by Ahem.
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 2, 2008 at 11:52 am


Boaz,

Please provide the name of a serious Middle East scholar who denies Jews have ethnically cleansed Palestinians.


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Posted by Boaz
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 2, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Ahem (aka Dr Ferragamo)--why? If I do provide a name, you will state that he is not a "serious" scholar. Why waste my time with you--I know your postings from other threads.
Nothing but the complete and total destruction of Israel will satisfy you.


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Posted by truth and common sense prevail over a loss of reality
a resident of Meadow Park
on Apr 2, 2008 at 12:35 pm

just the request to provide the name of serious scholar who doesn't believe that Israel has "ethnically cleansed" is indicative of Jag/Ahem/Dr.Ferragamo's mental status.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 2, 2008 at 1:14 pm

How many Palestinians live in Israel? How many Jews live in "Palestine"?


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Posted by benjamin
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 2, 2008 at 1:38 pm



The Zionist committed ethnic cleansing of Palestinians when they established Israel. Sharon was an enthusiastic proponent of continuing this strategy.

The US will not hold Israel to their agreements because of the power of APAIC and the Israeli lobby.

Thats the reality-- the Palestinians are best off going for a one state solution.

After a few years of suffering apartheid demographics will prevail and the world will demand democracy just as it did in South Africa,

At that point the Palestinians problems will be over.

They should treat the Jews in the same way as black South Africans treated the whites IE no ethnic cleansing but reconciliation.





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Posted by Boaz
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 2, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Using the term "apartheid" does not mean that the situations in South Africa and Palestine are the same--they are not
Scream apartheid all you want--not going to change anything. Jews have been ethnically cleansed from all the neighboring arab states and it is clear that jews are not welcome in Palestine. Destruction of Israel is the goal of Hamas/Hezbollah/Jag Singh/Ahem/Dr Ferragamo/benjamin (and whatever new identities you will post under)
Palestine refuses to embrace a two-state solution and recognize Israel's right to exist. there is no one-state solution, unless you consider the jewish state the one state in a sea of muslim/arab nations.


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Posted by Boaz
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 2, 2008 at 1:48 pm

By the way Jag, who is Rabbi Weiss respected by--he is so far out of the mainstream that even other anti-zionist jews condemn him:

Web Link

From the above link:

"Both the anti-Zionist Edah HaChareidis[2] and Satmar hasidim,[3] have condemned him and the other Haredim who went to Tehran. Shmuel Poppenheim, editor of Ha'edah, the newsletter of the Edah HaChareidis, stated that "That tiny group of weirdos is liable to incite hatred against haredim."[2] He continued that "[t]hose people's distorted anti-Zionist zealotry, which is sanctified in their eyes above and beyond the opinion of our Torah sages, brought them to that conference…the very fact that they participated gave Ahmadinejad the justification to say: 'Look, the haredim feel the same way we do about the Holocaust.'"[2] Poppenheim estimated that maybe there were 10 extremists in Israel, and a couple of dozen world-wide, who supported participating in the Holocaust conference.[2]

The Satmar movement published an official denounciation of "fanaticism, and those committing insane acts to walk hand in hand with the Arabs."[3] This described conference participants as "attend[ing] a special conference of the nations of the world that despise [the people of] Israel (may the names of the evil rot), deny the Holocaust, and deny and belittle the immensity of the evil and murder of those killed for sanctifying the Lord; they desecrated the name of the heavens."[3]"


Clearly he is only respected by those who seek Israel's destruction


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 2, 2008 at 1:51 pm

No, the reality is that Israel was created by the United Nations precursor, the League of Nations, with full legality. The reality is that Israel invited all non-Jews to stay, promising full protection and citizenship. The only thing Israel asked was that their Arab/Muslim bretheren not join in the fighting by the surrounding Arab nations who were determined to demolish Israel on the first day of the country. They just had to stay put, stay out of the way, and not fight the Jews. That is all.

Unfortunately, many chose to believe the scare propoganda of the surrounding Arab countries, instead of their own experience with their Jewish neighbors, and fled. Even more unfortunately, while 250,000 Jews were kicked out of the Arab countries with nothing but the clothes on their backs, and were somehow absorbed into tiny little Israel, somehow all those huge surrounding Arab countries couldn't find a place for their 250,000 bretheren who fled Israel ( note..chose to leave, not kicked out..).

My pity goes out to the innocents of generations who have been kept in Palestine, in ignorance, poverty and violence, by their Arab neighbors, who could have so easily absorbed them into their countries, or, at the very least, supported a 2 state solution long ago. All the power for solving this rests in the hands of the surrounding Arab nations. Very simple


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Posted by benjamin
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm



President Carter is on record as describing the situation of the Palestinians as WORSE that apartheid, and he should know.

Ohlmert has acknowledged the demographic scenario wherebye Israel is doomed in a generation-- he said its just a matter of time.

Sharon imported 1 million Russians many of whom have no connection with Israel to temporally stem the demographic doom ---time is now running out.

Obamas advisers have a record of taking a much harder line with Israel,
but that together with what his minister said over 20 years and you see that when he is elected things will be very different as USA looks out for its OWN interests in the Mid East NOT those of Israel.

Everyone should read --The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (Hby John J. Mearsheimer , Stephen M. Walt Web Link

For a clear analysis of the matter and preview of Obamas views on Israel and Americas self interest.

The fact that Israel keeps on trying to get their spy Pollard released
Web Link

Does not help them with the State Department and the Intelligence Community-- enough is enough.







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Posted by Boaz
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 2, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Actually what everyone should read is the Hamas Charter--it will give you an idea of what the goals of Hamas are vis a vis Israel.

Former President Carter has been exposed as a terrorist sympathizer, anti-semite and a complete fool. believe what he says at your own risk

Pollard?? are we bringing that issue up again??
Shall we discuss instead the celebrations in Gaza on 9/11, after the terror attacks.


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Posted by benjamin
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 2, 2008 at 4:02 pm



The Palestinians should adopt a Martin Luther King approach to apartheid by Israel over the next few years,

If they do they will prevail rapidly.

Unfortunately apartheid regimes do provoke violence, Nelson Mandela was a terrorist member of the ANC when he was arrested in South Africa- he was planning the terror bombing of white SA civilians.

Injustice breeds hatred but that does not justify violence, Mandela came to this realization during his time in prison and became a much more effective agent of change as a result.

John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt book is excellent, they are on the faculty of Harvard and the University of Chicago and credentialed academic, to suggest they are anti semitic is nonsensical baiting and is well deal with in their book.

The Amazon web site for their book has some incisive reviews, I recommend it see link in previous post.

The book is praised by Zbignew Brizinsky a key Obama adviser.

That fact will give you insight into the coming administrations new approach to the Palestine/ Israeli matter.


Re Pollard its the Israelis who keep on bringing him up, as recently as this year----

On January 10, 2008, the subject of Pollard's pardon was again brought up, this time by Prime Minster Ehud Olmert, at President Bush's first visit to Israel as president.

This request was turned down by President Bush.

The next day, at a dinner attended by several ministers in the Israeli government (in addition to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice), the subject of Pollard's release was again brought up.


This time however, Prime Minister Olmert stated that it was not the appropriate occasion to discuss the fate of the convicted Israeli spy.

The Jerusalem City Council, in support of Pollard, changed the name of a square near the official prime minister's residence from Paris Square to Freedom for Jonathan Pollard Square








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