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US Olympic tourists warned about monitoring in hotels

Original post made by julie, Midtown, on Mar 21, 2008




Americans traveling to China for the Olympic Games in August can expect their hotel rooms there to be monitored, the State Department warned on its website.

"All visitors should be aware that they have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public or private locations," according to the State Department site.

"All hotel rooms and offices are considered to be subject to on-site or remote technical monitoring at all times. Hotel rooms, residences and offices may be accessed at any time without the occupant's consent or knowledge," it said.

It added that many hotels and apartment buildings may be poorly built, lack emergency exits, fire extinguishers, carbon monoxide monitors and basic security like locks, alarms, and personnel.




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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 21, 2008 at 6:47 pm

It's a socialist nation. What else can you expect? The Olympics will begin, and they will end. Let them happen. Don't hold them hostage.

Why is it such a shock that socialists act like socialists? Command economies create commanders. No surprise.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:04 pm

The Olympic Committee had many superior choices other than Beijing. If it had done its homework and gotten the do-gooder stardust out of its collective eyes, then they could have foreseen the problems that would come up and chosen a better site. But oh, no - the Commmittee had to be 'pollitically correct' . Is it any news that the air is so bad in Beijing that athletes in some sports are not only concerned but advised not to run long distances.
China is a COMMUNIST COUNTRY where surveillance is the norm. A huge amount of ordinary and poor people were displaced from Beijing to make it 'look good' to the world.
Remember when Jimmy Carter was president and Russia invaded Afghanistan? He cancelled US participation in the summer Olympics for, I think, 1978 or 1980. Don't remember which.
And I think it was held in Moscow. Anyone else remember? But the US team stayed home.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:13 pm

I went on-line to Google and got the following information. Those Olympics were in Moscow in 1980.
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Though the Games have aimed to be an arena free of politics, the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan spurred United States President Jimmy Carter to issue an ultimatum that the United States would boycott the Moscow Olympics if Soviet troops had not withdrawn from the country by 12:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time on February 20, 1980; the official announcement confirming the boycott was made on March 21.

The United States was joined in the boycott by some other populous countries - including Japan, West Germany, China and Canada. Some of these countries competed at the Olympic Boycott Games at Philadelphia. Notably, the United Kingdom, France, and Greece supported the boycott but allowed their athletes to participate if they wished (the U.S. did not). The United Kingdom and France sent a much smaller delegation of athletes than usual. Nevertheless, the delegation of the United Kingdom was the largest among Western Europe, with 170 athletes applying to compete.[1] Spain, Italy, Sweden, Iceland and Finland were other principal nations representing western Europe,[1] though Italian athletes belonging to military corps did not attend the Games, due to the government's support of the boycott. The boycott severely affected many events.

At the Opening and Closing Ceremonies, athletes from a number of countries, including Australia, Andorra, Belgium, Denmark, France, United Kingdom, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Puerto Rico, San Marino, Spain, and Switzerland, marched under the Olympic Flag, instead of their national flags. Moreover, although the government of New Zealand officially supported the boycott, four athletes from that country competed independently and marched under their NOC's flag [1]. Altogether, the athletes of 16 countries were not represented by their national flags, and the Olympic Anthem replaced their national anthems at medal ceremonies. As a result, there were a few ceremonies where three Olympic Flags were raised.

Even though only 81 nations participated, more world records were set in Moscow than in 1976 in Montreal.



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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 21, 2008 at 9:17 pm

The real victims of the 1980 boycott were the athletes and the nations that diminished the Olympics. The boycott did nothing to force the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. Stinger missles did that.

An Olympic boycott will do nothing to free Tibet.

To free Tibet, one must think about defeating socialism in a systematic way. Promote power to the person, not power to the people.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 22, 2008 at 12:31 am

Web Link

I like this; I hope the athletes give 'em hell. The Chinese government is a lying sack of fried rice. I feel sorry for the Chinese people. It's sad that America is so complicit in so many abuses there.


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Posted by Lois
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 22, 2008 at 8:55 am

I've read that China is having trouble selling stadium seats. They are expecting the whole world to descend on Beijing, and it ain't happening. Maybe they'll lose money like Montreal and Sydney before them. Lets all go to London in 2012!!!


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 22, 2008 at 9:18 am

Hmm...I was equally appalled at the idea of Olympics in Bejing, but I have to admit, Gary, you have changed my mind.

We have to remember the point of the Olympics, and it isn't whether or not anyone agrees with the political system of the hosting country.

That said, I couldn't stomach actually going to Bejing..or any dicatorship nation. But at least the athletes should have a chance to decide for themselves if they want to participate or not.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 25, 2008 at 4:34 pm

"The real victims of the 1980 boycott were the athletes and the nations that diminished the Olympics. The boycott did nothing to force the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. Stinger missles did that."

Uh-uh. Stinger missiles chased not one Soviet soldier out of Afghanistan. They're anti-aircraft, not anti-personnel weapons.

It was the jihadists that Reagan's CIA trained (including Osama bin Laden) who did the real job. Pretty tough crew against invaders, as Bush 43 never noticed and refuses to learn.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 25, 2008 at 4:58 pm

"Uh-uh. Stinger missiles chased not one Soviet soldier out of Afghanistan"

Paul, how naive of you! Before the Stinger, the Muajadeen were were contained by the Soviet helicopters and bombers. After the Stinger, they made their advance. You been smokin' something, Paul?

As a popular take on this theme, go watch "Charlie Wilson's War".


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 25, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Enjoy your movies, Gary. Much simpler than facing reality.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 25, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Gary: " Promote power to the person, not power to the people."

uh, Gary, so now I know; you're an Anarchist. Figures, especially given your reaction formation and projections re: Stalin. Surely, you are a latent Stalinist - any analyst would tell you that; in fact, I'll bet if we put you in front of a screen flashing microsecond pictures of American patriots and dictators, your subconscious pupil dilation would clearly indicate more interest in the latter.

The cat is out of the bag.

What I'm really interested in is how one promotes power to the person, and keeps the people from killing each other. Can you explain that, Gary?


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Posted by Tom
a resident of Professorville
on Mar 26, 2008 at 9:07 am

Paul is correct. The popular press and movies notwithstanding, Stinger missiles had very little influence on the outcome in Soviet Afghanistan, since they were easily countermeasured by a reasonably sophisticated adversary. The Soviets were very sophisticated. This article gives some perspective: Web Link


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 26, 2008 at 9:36 am

"The only reliable Soviet countermeasures employed in Afghanistan were flying above 12,000 feet or at night. Either measure negated the tactical value of Soviet air forces and gave the mujahideen freedom of movement on the ground, which is why the United States introduced the Stinger in the first place."

You guys might try reading your own links, in their entirety.


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Posted by Tom
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 26, 2008 at 10:30 am

I believe the key word is "entirety." Gary did a pretty good cherry-pick in support of his own viewpoint, but it won't fool anyone who does read the article in its entirety. Here's the link again for anybody wanting the full truth: Web Link


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 26, 2008 at 11:09 am

"Kuperman has written extensively on this topic, he has not chosen to discuss his theories with former CIA officers directly involved with the deployment of the Stinger"

You left out that part, Tom.


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Posted by WhenInPeking_Duck
a resident of another community
on Mar 26, 2008 at 11:34 am

All together now:

Pass the Lord
And praise the ammunition


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Posted by Tom
a resident of Professorville
on Mar 26, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Gary, I urged our audience to read the entire posting. As you noticed, it presents both sides of the issue so readers can weigh each and make up their own minds. You seem to be unfamiliar with that concept.


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