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Polls show Barack Obama damaged by link to Reverend Jeremiah Wright

Original post made by E PLURIBUS UNUM on Mar 20, 2008

New polls released today suggest that Barack Obama has been damaged significantly by the controversy over his pastor's inflammatory remarks, amid growing evidence of what a serious threat the issue has become for his presidential ambitions.

A new national Gallup tracking poll indicates Hillary Clinton regaining her lead over Mr Obama for the first time in a month, now leading him 49 per cent to 42, a 13 point shift to the former First Lady in less than a fortnight.

Mrs Clinton now also holds a 16-point lead over Mr Obama in Pennsylvania, their next contest on April 22, according to a poll for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. In addition, Mr Obama has lost his once commanding lead among independent voters to John McCain, the Republican nominee, in a new CBS poll. Web Link

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Posted by sue, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm



Obama may not, in fact, be black : he is 50% Caucasian (maternal side), 43.75% Arabic (paternal side) and 6.25% Negroid (his great-great-grandparent on paternal side).

US Federal Law requires that to claim minority status one must be at least 1/8th of the racial component (or 12.5%) which you claim for minority status.

What else dont we know about Obama? the clot thickens




Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh, a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Wow--Sue--that is really, really interesting. But what is the relevance? Has Obama ever denied his his parent's race? Why are you making race an issue.
Has he ever claimed that he is a minority? Has he ever claimed to be a monority to gain any kind of advantage? Where do you come up with the claim that he 43.75% arabic--wasn't his father Kenyan? Reall, Sue, don;t you think you should provide some proof. Oh,wait, no need,-he is a democratic and you area Limbaugh/Coulter disciple, so anything goes.

The only people that are making race an issue are the republicans and their right-wing toadies (Limbaugh, Coulter, Sue and Gary).
Is his race an issue? It should not be.
We all know what Obama's "problem" is--he is a republican. If he was a white democratic, he would be attacked for some other reason by the voices of intolerance (i.e. the republican party).


Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:43 pm


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows John McCain's lead growing against both potential Democratic opponents. McCain currently leads Barack Obama 49% to 42% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% margin . African-American support for Clinton has collapsed, falling to 55% in the general election match-up. Obama, on the other hand, earns solid support from African-American voters but attracts only 36% of white voters in a match-up with McCain.

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This post speech poll indicates that Obamas skillful oratory is no longer as persuasive as it was.

He could sound profound and eloquent reciting the Palo Alto phone directly

People are asking

Who exactly is Barack Obama? the more they discover the less they like or trust.



Posted by Paly mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:58 pm




Given the calamity of slavery and Jim Crow, one must give slack to black anger. But there are limits, especially for an avowedly post-racial candidate.

We've had a situation where it's politically unacceptable to attribute Obama's success to race, but a minister may say that the government created AIDS to kill people of color and remain a candidate's spiritual adviser. Suppose Clinton's minister had awarded a lifetime achievement award to David Duke, as Wright had to Louis Farrakhan.

But for Obama, the most lasting damage of this affair may not be tied to race or religion but to class. Working stiffs will struggle to square Obama's close bond to a purveyor of racial grievance with his own golden existence. With four Ivy League degrees between them, half a million in income and children in private schools, the Obamas seem to be doing more than OK.

The clashing images of resentment and privilege are a divide that is hard to bridge.
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Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh, a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:59 pm

E PLURIBUS UNUM--which people are asking " Who exactly is Barack Obama? "????
Who is the they in "the more they discover the less they like or trust"?
People like you dislike Obama because he is a democrat. In fact you dislike any democrat who is a candidate--then you infiltrate forums with postings making all kinds of bogus claims.
Facts have no relevance to a republican, especially a Coulter/Limbaugh disciple.


Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm



Dear Coulter loves Limbaugh

I am not in fact a republican and was until recently very supportive of Obama.

He was a blue screen onto which I could project hope, optimism etc.

He is no longer a blue screen --- he is a Chicago politician with a history and, as is being revealed, a shame full history that is now coming clearer on that screen--.

I feel betrayed and fooled, this is the worst thing that has happened in the Democratic Party since 1968.



Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh, a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:19 pm

E PLURIBUS UNUM-
Of course "you are not in fact a republican and was until recently very supportive of Obama."
Of course "He was a blue screen onto which you could project hope, optimism etc."
Of course "He is no longer a blue screen --- he is a Chicago politician with a history and, as is being revealed, a shame full history that is now coming clearer on that screen--."
Of course "You feel betrayed and fooled, this is the worst thing that has happened in the Democratic Party since 1968."

My advise--vote for someone else. But you were planning to all along--you will vote for whomever Coulter/Limbaugh tells you to vote for.


Posted by triumph of hope over experience, a resident of Professorville
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:24 pm




Old Barack:

Don't tell me words don't matter.

'I have a dream.' Just words?

'We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.' Just words?

'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Just words? Just speeches?

New Barack:

'God damn America.' Just words.

'US government created Aids, supplied drugs to our community.' Just words.

'US of KKKA.' Just words.

'What we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing.' Just words.

'Until now, I was never proud of my country.' Just words from my wife.


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.



Posted by chris, a resident of University South
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:26 pm

There will be a lot of twists and turns in the 5 months until the conventions and 7+ months until the election.

What is worse: having Wright as your minister or not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite in Iraq when you are promoting the war in Iraq (like McCain).


Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh, a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:34 pm

triumph of hope over experience--if you are going to use a quote than use it the way it was said (or in other words not the right-wing republican way quotes are twisted).
The quotation was:

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction."

Come to think of it, I have never heard McCain say that he was proud of the US--must mean that he was never proud either.


Posted by triumph of hope over experience, a resident of Professorville
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:36 pm




and how about Obama saying he was going to meet with the president of Canada they do not have a president the have a prime minister

Meanwhile - With the Democrats' delegate race on a knife-edge, Clinton aides are telling wavering party elders that Obama's ties to Reverend Wright could "doom their party in the general election, The New York Times reported.-


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.






Posted by triumph of hope over experience, a resident of Professorville
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm



Mrs Obama also said she thought USA is a "mean" country.

And of course she exposed her young children to the most vile hate race speech and anti American lies on Sunday after Sunday

Mrs Obama received full scholarships to both Princeton and Harvard

some "mean" country!

Whatever you think about McCains politics every sane person agrees that his an American hero and patriot.


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me








Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh, a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:50 pm

triumph of hope over experience--
Listen to you more than once--shame on me


Posted by GSB, a resident of Mountain View
on Mar 20, 2008 at 2:51 pm

It's pretty lame that people are reacting to this in such a furor. Are we really going to completely judge someone based on just one other person? If that's the case, we're all in trouble.

I'm sure we all have people in our family or have friends that we care about that spouts off something every once in a while that you don't agree with. That doesn't mean that person completely mirrors your thoughts and beliefs, does it?

Seriously, you would change your views on someone based on SOMEONE ELSE?

People are putting more weight on what someone Barack knows has done as opposed to the things Hillary has ACTUALLY done herself. Tell me know that makes sense.


Posted by triumph of hope over experience, a resident of Professorville
on Mar 20, 2008 at 3:05 pm




People will judge a cipher like obama by the company he keeps for OVER 20 YEARS, dragging his children to a cesspit of hatred and lies every week.

He did not help himself on Tuesday by making moral equivalence between

a vile racist baiting American hating demagogue and his still living

grandmother who took him in, raised him and paid for his education at

private schools after his father dumped him.



Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.







Posted by Double standard, a resident of Crescent Park
on Mar 20, 2008 at 3:10 pm

But I guess it is okay for mcCain to associate with vile ministers John Hagee, Rod Parsley, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the Bob Jones U gang


Posted by sue, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 20, 2008 at 3:30 pm



OK Double standard,


Jerry Falwell is dead, as for the others lets see the DVDs on U tube

fact is there is nothing there, McCains been in public life for decades his record is crystal clear.

Obama tried to change the subject Tuesday for the hatred, anti

Americanism and lies of his closest adviser. He tried to change the topic to race in America.

Instead indulged in narcissism and self promotion conjuring up memories of OJ Simpson and the Rodney( cant we all get along ) King riots in LA remember them?

Those images of murder and mayhem are now being replayed over and over in millions of American minds.

"But for Obama, the most lasting damage of this affair may not be tied to race or religion but to class.

Working stiffs will struggle to square Obama's close bond to a purveyor of racial grievance with his own golden existence.

With four Ivy League degrees between them, half a million in income and children in private schools,

the Obamas seem to be doing more than OK.

The clashing images of resentment and privilege are a divide that is hard to bridge.









Posted by sue, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 20, 2008 at 3:39 pm



Obama is being revealed as a demagogue.

The early 20th century American social critic and humorist H. L. Mencken, known for his "definitions" of terms, defined a demagogue as

"one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."

Though this definition emphasizes the use of lying and falsehoods, some point out that demagogy does not require such, but that skilled demagogues often need to use only special emphasis by which an uncritical listener will be led to draw the desired conclusion themselves, seeding a belief that is self-reinforced rather than one based on fact or truth.

Demagogues may make use of logical fallacies, though persuasion may require no use of logic. While it may not rely heavily upon outright lies, the use of half-truths, omissions, and distortions are what define demagogy — it is, in essence, giving bad-faith arguments for the purpose of political gain.

Another famous usage was by the aging Erich Ludendorff, who was for a time a strong supporter of the early rise of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. After learning of Hitler's appointment as Chancellor, he expressed his disappointment to German President Paul von Hindenbu

"By appointing Hitler Chancellor of the Reich, you have handed over our sacred German Fatherland to one of the greatest demagogues of all time. I prophesy to you this evil man will plunge our Reich into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on our nation. Future generations will curse you in your grave for this action."

Hitler indeed would become regarded as perhaps the epitome of a demagogue, having successfully risen to power through appeals to the ethnic and nationalistic prejudices and vanities of the German people —exploiting a political base of embittered and misled war veterans and nationalists and directing blame at minority and other convenient scapegoats ("Dolchstosslegende"). Hitler then consolidated his power through means of fear and intimidation, and targeted killing of German political dissidents and intellectuals.

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Posted by Obama was my man, but not now., a resident of Barron Park
on Mar 20, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Barack threw his own gransmother under the bus, in a vain effort to balance the scales with Reverand Wright. Won't fly.


Posted by so, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2008 at 4:56 pm

so sue, is it your assertion that Obama == Hitler?

It's a little early to invoke Godwin's law.


Posted by sue, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 20, 2008 at 5:06 pm


so, a resident of another p a neigh




"Not this time. I know Mike Godwin. Mike Godwin is a friend of mine.
Senator, you're no Mike Godwin."





Posted by "Hallelujah", a resident of Walter Hays School
on Mar 20, 2008 at 5:17 pm


Moses is coming!!! according to senator Kerry and he should know

Speaking of the race speech from Tuesday, Obama supporter John Kerry gave an interview with a local N.H. paper, reports NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli. In it, Kerry said the color of Obama's skin makes him uniquely qualified for president and even reach out to the moderate Islam world. During an interview with the New Bedford Standard Times, portions of which were posted on YouTube, John Kerry says bluntly that Barack Obama has the potential to "bridge the divide in religious extremism" because he is black....

...The Massachusetts senator said Obama has an ability to perhaps even empower moderate Islam "to be able to stand up against the racial misinterpretation of a legitimate religion." Asked by a reporter what gave Obama the credibility to do so, Kerry said, "Because he's African American. Because he's a black man, who has come from a place of oppression and repression through the years in our own country. We only broke the back of civil rights, Jim Crow, in the 1960s here. Everybody in the world knows this is a recent journey for America too. And everybody still knows that issues of skin and discrimination still exist."

"Hallelujah"


Posted by pam, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Mar 20, 2008 at 6:34 pm

"People are asking "Who exactly is Barack Obama? the more they discover the less they like or trust."

i said months ago that this would happen. obama is a pure centrist (look at his advisory staff), but he's selling himself as a progressive "camelot" democrat. he rode a wave of light scrutiny for a while, and got set up as a saint by the fawning press. i said over and over to my obamaton neighbors that O wasn't telling us who he really was, and that his negatives were not known, and that once they were, he was gonna be in trouble - whether those negatives are real or not. he's a great man, but he's not presidential material. hillary is the one-the only one who can beat mccain-she has a long record of liberal accomplishment and is a very strong woman - we need hillary


Posted by perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Kerry says somebody is uniquely qualified because of SKIN COLOR!!!??

What a shock, a racist democrat...


Posted by SS ceiling issue, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Mar 20, 2008 at 7:31 pm

Pam,

I agree that Hillary is our woman, I have rooted for her from the beginning. I am not sure about what you say about Obama though. The first reason I can't vote for him is he wants to remove the ceiling on social security taxes and that will hurt our one salary family really badly...

When Hillary said eliminating the SS ceiling so would hurt middle class people, Obama ridiculed her. The fact is, in Palo Alto having a family income of slightly above $100,000 does not make a person rich. We ARE more like middle class. Yet we'll be hit directly by Obama's removal of the social security ceiling.


Posted by perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Too bad every single person who pays taxes ( just about 50% of the working people) isn't having to sit down every month and write out the check for that month's tax bill.

Would make a big difference in elections, because the taxpayers would KNOW what the politicians are saying mean THEM, not the guy who is "richer" than them....

Just a few more percentage points, and there will be more takers than payers of taxes..then the country will finish its drive toward a fully socialist state, because there will be more voters saying "gimme" than voters saying "no"..


Posted by Janet, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 21, 2008 at 7:05 am

Sorry, but the latest polls show that if a Presidential election were held today John McCain would win by 10 points over either Obama or Hill Clinton. That means the war in Iraq will go on for another 8 years and the value of the dollar against other world currencies will fall to near "0".

I'm a democrat but we just can't get it right when choosing a Presidential candidate. If middle of the roaders like Biden or Dodd were going up against McCain they'd probably win. That's America for you.




Posted by former democrat, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:09 am

The reasons democrats are going down in flames is precisely because democrats think that Biden or Dodd are "middle of the roaders"...middle of what road? Between communism and socialism, berlin wall and protectionism, switzerland and just isolationism?

The problem is that our country has moved so far left that the leadership of the Republican party is now to the left of the JFK democrats ( of which I was and am one).

This means that in reaction, the dems have to now be in an indefensible camp.

The solution? Move the country back to the right where dems can take back the role of the current republicans, and republicans can go back to being the bad guys.

Oh wait, without Republicans there would still be slavery, no civil rights legislation, and even more incentive to perpetuate the poverty cycle through paying women to quit school and raise babies in ignorance and poverty. But without Democrats we wouldn't have the "great society" that has birthed a vast social underclass that continues generation after generation.

Maybe the Republicans aren't so bad after all.


Posted by I dare you..., a resident of Midtown
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:17 am

To GSB et al:

Yes, I definitely do not associate with anyone who admires people I despise. Would you have as a mentor/pastor/spiritual advisor someone who loves Rush Limbaugh and quotes him all the time? Would you vote for someone for president someone who says s/he listens to Rush 3 hours per day? I think not. You wouldn't trust that person, I know.

So, don't give us the "condemn by association is wrong" bull.

BTW, I use Rush Limbaugh because I know you types who have never heard him at all judge his show on the basis of what others tell you, so you despise him. I challenge you to listen every day for 2 weeks, then tell us what you think ..I mean every day, 3 hours per day, for 2 weeks. Much less time than Barack subjected himself, his wife and his kids to the vile of that "preacher"...who shames all Christians as much as some of the hateful radical "immams" shame all Muslims..

I dare ya..


Posted by Double Dare You, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:24 am

Why would any sane person want to listen to a drug addict for 3 hours a day for 2 weeks?


Posted by proud republican, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:25 am

To Coulter loves Limbaugh:

Your expanded quote of Mrs. Obama's comment about this being the first time she is proud of America is supposed to be helpful? Supposed to somehow explain it all away? It is just as absurd in the full context ( I am only proud because America is going for my husband and his message of "change" even though nobody knows exactly what that change will be...how silly!!) as it was in the abbreviated. I feel sorry for her kids if she is only proud of them when they do something she wanted them to do...

Also, please find me, a daily listener to pretty much all the "right wing talk shows" and a Republican, any quotes by Limbaugh et al or any Republican leader anywhere that support your claim that we are the ones making race an issue. The only issue we make of it is that it SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. That is all. We want a "we all have the same color blood" society, and the only way to do that is to stop focusing on skin color ( and gender ) and start focusing on who the person IS..what choices s/he has made, what s/he believes and knows, what s/he proposes, and vote on that, not anything else.




Posted by triple dare and stick my tongue out ...:), a resident of Midtown
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:30 am

to double dare: for the same insane reason that dems still have leaders like Kennedy the drunk who let a woman drown under a bridge, or Byrd, the ex-KKKer, or B. Clinton, the man who asked what "is" means,....need I go on??

since when do dems care if someone gets hooked for awhile on pain meds? in my experience, the more depraved the person, the more s/he is celebrated as "diverse"..

Limbaugh having shown frailty should endear him to you..


Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh, a resident of another community
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:38 am

Proud republican:

Limbaugh making race an issue:

Web Link

Web Link

Why anyone listens to that pill-popper is beyond me


Posted by Proud democrat, a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:42 am

If any non-republicans are interested

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