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McCain is more of the same of Bush

Original post made by McInsane will lose, The Greenhouse, on Mar 19, 2008

Simitian says don't expect any help from Sacramento. Palo Alto utility rates are up. Home prices fall. Gas prices at $4.00, food prices up. Global warming speeding up. Wealth disparity between the rich and poor rise.This is all the Republican party's work. Mr. McCain will lead the U.S. into disaster.

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Posted by GoreBore
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:05 am

Global warming IS speeding up - the record snowfall amounts in many places this year prove it! I predict the biggest increase in global warming will come from whiny limo-libs coming up with uncreative plays on "McBush." Are you getting nervous that the demos might self destruct yet again? Thanks, Hill-dog.


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Posted by McInsane will lose
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:18 am

You must be from the let's have a beer with Bush drinking crowd.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:19 am

McCain is no Bush. McCain flew combat missions in Vietnam while Bush partied at home.


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Posted by McInsane will lose
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:21 am

You are who you associate with.


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Posted by Citizen
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:50 am

"home prices are down" -- clearly you don't live in Palo Alto.


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Posted by McInsane will lose
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:03 am

I do live in Palo Alto (as if that were something to snub others about). Clearly you have no concern for those in the middle of California and across the country. Selfishness - mark of a good republican.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:10 am

Bush flew continental air defense sorties in an aircraft not known for user friendly. McCain became an ace for the enemy with the number of US airplanes he destroyed.
There is much to criticize about Bush, why pick on his service which by all reports was honorable? When you fall into that childishness, you demean an honorablee service.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:14 am

McCain will not draw down our troops in Iraq in 60 days. That makes him like Bush, and unlike Clinton. It also makes him a sane leader.


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Posted by ten18
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:32 am

The latest word is that the climate may not be warming after all, and that the "consensus" of climate scientists are not so sure of their forecast models after all. So we should elect a delusional Democrat, happy to empty our pockets in an effort to fight a non-existent trend? Unfortunately, McCain has also drunk that Kool-Aid -hopefully he'll wise up before November!


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:42 am

"Bush flew continental air defense sorties in an aircraft not known for user friendly. McCain became an ace for the enemy with the number of US airplanes he destroyed."

Bush flew with the National Guard at a safe distance from any possible enemy fire. He continued this joyriding at taxpayer expense until they started testing pilots for drugs, when he just walked away from his plane. Did he complain about an "unfriendly" airplane too? Didn't anybody tell him an F-102 is not a Cessna 172?

McCain an ace for the enemy? Are you including the plane that got shot out from under him and made him a POW?

This country doesn't show much respect for its combat veterans. Dick Cheney was wise when he decided to pursue "other priorities than military service" in the sixties.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:56 am

Paul,

Which American president said, "I loath the military"? Then proceeded to dodge the draft with every arrow in his quivver?

BTW, which of the current candidates was married to that president and, presumably, supported his hate towards the military?


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 19, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Perhaps you refer to William Jefferson Clinton, 42nd president of the United States, who defeated Bush 41, a combat veteran, and then Bob Dole, another combat veteran, in consecutive national elections. Go figure.

Thanks for the assistance. I rest my case.


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Professorville
on Mar 19, 2008 at 4:19 pm




Poem for Obama

Inspired by Roger Simon, an offering of my own:

It isn't nice to save your fanny,

By sacrificing dear old granny.

No crazy uncle, I've got news,

Is someone who in fact you choose.

But grave indeed must be the error,

Of charging Sam with bio-terror.

There's the uncle needs respect,

Only then will we elect.




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Posted by NuffSaid
a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:53 pm

The best thing that could ever happen is if we could shoot all the politicans - and all their ardent supporters such as posted here - on a one-way rocket ship to the moon. Perhaps we might then be able to finally act in an adult manner (i.e., thoughtful and respectful).


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 6:02 am

What is the thoughtful and respectful answer to someone who is dedicated to killing you? A soft answer may turn away wrath, but evil needs something more effective.
Those who demean Continental Air Defense sorties in a supersonic fighter probably resent money spent for fire departments, too.
Pilots whose papa and grandpapa were not admirals never got a chance to fly over Hanoi after bending even one trainer, they wound up as plane pushers. I have great respect for anyone who makes carrier landings, just as I have great respect for anyone who makes maximum effort supersonic intercepts. 65 HP was all I could handle.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 6:28 am

Thankfully, the left is ripping itself into shreds over stuff like race and gender, issues that should have absolutely nothing to do with who is qualified to lead the free world. This means that McCain will be the next president..

Unfortunately, though he won't do it as quickly, it also means that we will have a president who moves this country yet further to the left in all ways. Our country keeps marching to the left, too ignorant or arrogant to watch the European countries march to the right after having already done the socialist democracy dance to the near death of their countries.

Sometimes I think we really do need a Clinton-type back in office. Unfortunately, our kids don't actually learn history anymore, so most folks haven't a clue what happened with Carter and we are doomed to repeat those errors and consequences again. Emotion is going to rule, not historical realities. Maybe a strong dose, soon, is better for our country in the long run, so we get a rude shock and give rise to another true conservative...


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 6:30 am

BTW, McInsane, since you posted this have you heard that Bush isn't running for president?


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Posted by b
a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 7:26 am

Another thread taken over by the usual wingnuts.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 20, 2008 at 9:39 am

Aw, what's crimping your cotter pin now? Like my uncle Castlenut used to say, if you can't stand the torque stay off the bolt.


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Posted by Coulter loves Limbaugh
a resident of another community
on Mar 20, 2008 at 9:49 am

Gary--care to provide an actual source for your quote about Clinton? Have any proof for your assertions about Hillary sharing Bill's feelings? Why do you even assume that she shares his feelings?
Draft dodging or avoiding the Vietnam War (however you want to put it) was not just something that Democrats did--why don;t you tell me about Limbaugh and Cheney's military service.
Oh, I forgot you only have "problems" with these people because they are democrats


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 20, 2008 at 9:56 am

"Those who demean Continental Air Defense sorties in a supersonic fighter probably resent money spent for fire departments, too."

I think the money spent on CAD would have been much better spent in our fire departments. Maybe the FDNY would have had radios that talked to one another on 9/11.

I still don't see the value of GW Bush playing airtag with stray superannuated Super Connies, fun factor aside.

But you've opened my eyes, to wit: "Pilots whose papa and grandpapa were not admirals never got a chance to fly over Hanoi after bending even one trainer, they wound up as plane pushers." So McCain needed to pull strings to get that plum job dodging Russian SAMs over Hanoi. My, my. Some guys will stop at nothing.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:10 pm

One of the criticisms of the 9/11 reaction was the time needed to vector fighters in to the hijacked planes. All administrations have agreed there is a threat to the United States requiring air defense. I doubt that McCain pulled strings to stay in flight status, I suspect the old boy network just nudged the standards a bit to maintain the image.
As a former National Guardsman [Cannon co., 184th Infantry Regiment, 49th Division - Herb Cain's old unit] I resent any slander of that branch.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:19 pm

Paul, you didn't fight in WW2, you have no clue that many men of honor actually wanted to fight the good fight,and no clue what Walter is talking about,...I would hush up before you say any more to embarrass yourself and an entire generation.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:23 pm

recommend reading the latest commentary by Mamet in the Village Voice. Will shock those of you on the left. Yet another leftist falls into the conservative, Thomas Sowell camp...

Web Link


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:23 pm

recommend reading the latest commentary by Mamet in the Village Voice. Will shock those of you on the left. Yet another leftist falls into the conservative, Thomas Sowell camp...

Web Link


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Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:49 pm



The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows John McCain's lead growing against both potential Democratic opponents. McCain currently leads Barack Obama 49% to 42% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% margin . African-American support for Clinton has collapsed, falling to 55% in the general election match-up. Obama, on the other hand, earns solid support from African-American voters but attracts only 36% of white voters in a match-up with McCain.
orts.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Change is in the air, spring has sprung


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 20, 2008 at 4:26 pm

"As a former National Guardsman ... I resent any slander of that branch." - Walter_E_Wallis

Then why do you stand up for the Guard deserter occupying the White House?


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 4:44 pm

I believe in the system of laws that determined Bush was the winner of the election, and I do not believe in the reported desertion. If Bush lost interest when his chance to transition to the replacement for the Dagger was way down the list below returning pilots with career intention, that is understandable. When the army put an infantryman into the Signal Corps my ho got less gung, too. If you can't shoot people, what's the purpose?
With so many obvious Bush faults, why go back to the Ratherbunk?
As someone pointed out elsewhere, Bush is not running for office this year.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 20, 2008 at 5:04 pm

"If Bush lost interest when his chance to transition to the replacement for the Dagger was way down the list below returning pilots with career intention, that is understandable."

So he "lost interest" in the Guard and walked away. What a Guardsman.


"As someone pointed out elsewhere, Bush is not running for office this year."

I've heard rumors that McCain would be Bush term 3. I don't think so, he's a much different man, and that's my point on this thread.

But I can't resist being baited in certain directions either.



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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 20, 2008 at 7:30 pm

Paul, by your definition, anyone who doesn't re-up for military duty is a "deserter"..that is what Bush did, he took a completely legal out by going back to school...after serving MORE than his required hours for duty...

If that is desertion, so is every person who has decided to leave the military legally.

By the way, how much have you served in the military? If leaving legally is desertion, what is not serving at all? What did Clinton do? Oh yes..not serve at all and say he "loathes the military"..good guy for commander-in-chief, and I recommend you read "Deriliction of Duty" to understand how much he loathed the military...written by the military guy who did his tour of duty holding the nuclear code in a briefcase attached to his arm..in constant proximity to Clinton ( the male)


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 21, 2008 at 10:55 am

Thanks for the perfect perspective on standard-issue hypocrisy: Our commander in chief walked away from his safe post in the Guard when it started testing its pilots for drugs, because he either "lost interest" (see above) or wanted to go back to school, and his adoring minions swoon.

Deferment artist Dick Cheney had "other priorities than military service during the sixties." Also fine, right?

Clinton legally avoids the draft, goes to school, and - you see my point?

Why do I suspect that, if Clinton had only called himself a Republican, but did everything else exactly the same, he'd be in the same pantheon of "heroes"?


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 21, 2008 at 4:38 pm

good grief, Paul, you need to look up what "cherry picked news" means..


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 22, 2008 at 7:34 am

The Delta Dagger was not a safe seat - it was a hot ship with no margin for anything but a really good stick. To assert that defense of this country was unnecesary is fatuous. "Lost interest" is not the same as did not chose to make the career commitment that a transition to the replacement CAD aircraft would have required.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 24, 2008 at 11:11 am

Don't need to look up "cherry picked news"; you and Walter supply many examples.

Walter, I copied the "lost interest" from your post of 4:44 March 20. Then I added "walked away" to fill out the rest of the story. But why be picky.


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Posted by joel
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 24, 2008 at 4:12 pm


Web Link

If we are going to have a conversation about race let it be based on EVIDENCE not pretty speeches


The U.S. Justice Department provides a breakdown of homicides by the race of both the victim and offender. Looking at the data for 2005 (the latest year available), we find that whites committed 48.0% of all murders and blacks committed 51.2% of all murders.

However, whites outnumber blacks in the population. In fact, non-Hispanic whites are about 69% of the population and blacks are about 13% .

These statistics alone, that blacks are 13% of the population but commit 51.2% of the murders, indicate that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of murders.

What we would like to find specifically is the likelihood that a given person is a murderer. The Justice department also provides overall murder rates. In 2004 (last year of available data), 5.9 people were murdered out of every 100,000. Since some of those were multiple murders, let's assume that only 5 people of every 100,000 were murderers. That is, the chance that some person you see on the street will murder someone this year, knowing nothing else, is about 5 in 100,000.------

That is, the chance of just any person you see on the street murdering someone this year is about 5 of 100,000 (assuming you see a random sample of people). The same chance of a white person is 3.5 of 100,000. And the same chance for a black person is 19.7 of 100,000. That means a black person is 5.6 times more likely than a white person to be a murderer.

It is totally rational for a any person (including Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama's grandmother) to fear a black person more than a white one.


In fact, you should fear them 5.6 times more.





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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Mar 24, 2008 at 6:27 pm

this is a ridiculous misreading of statistical data, because it selects out sector demographics and generalizes from them. it's actually a hasty generalization that uses a statistic to make a racist argument


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 26, 2008 at 7:54 am

pam, statistically white women over the age of 50 are the least likely to commit violent crimes.

would you agree that not too many folks fear white women over the age of 50? Is this racist or sexist? No, it is the basis of common sense.

The highest crime rate is black men age 16 to 24...the next is brown men of the same age, the next is white men of the same age. All the perpetrators of 9/11 were Arab Muslim men..14/16 Saudi Arabian Muslim men. All the perps of terrorism in Europe are Muslim men. The way West Nile Disease is transmitted is through mosquitos. The way Lyme's disease is transmitted is through deer ticks from the south.

This means that all ticks are viewed with suspicios fear, especially the smallest deer ticks. All mosquitos are viewed with suspicious fear, all young men are viewed with fear at certain times or areas, especially, in order, black, then brown, the white. The least feared is old white women.

"profiling" happened for a valid reason. this is not racism or sexism or bugism ..it is survival common sense.

if you find that what I am saying is offensively racist etc, then test yourself. walk through the Mission district alone at midnight...then walk through Nob Hill at midnight.

Then report back to us which one felt safer to you.


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