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5th Anniversary Invasion of Iraq

Original post made by Elaine Elbizri, Midtown, on Mar 17, 2008

There will be a commemorative candle light vigil at King Plaza on Wendesday 19th - the date of the invasion of Iraq 5 years ago. All welcome to come and bear witness. Bring candles and signs.
7:00 pm
King Plaza, City Hall
Palo Alto

This event is one of thousands of vigils around the country organized by MoveOn.
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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 17, 2008 at 2:07 pm

I will offer a prayer of thanksgiving for the hundreds of thousands of Muslims alive today because Hussein's control is gone. ( He killed an average of 70,000 Muslims per year. The most reliable war dead count, as awful as the number is, is still 1/5th of the number of who would be dead from Hussein).

I will also offer a prayer of thanksgiving that, at last, the Iraqi people, even the women, have hope for their future, since their future is in their voting hands...ALL adults' voting hands, including the women's.

Thank you for pointing out the anniversary of the beginning of the end of dictatorship in Iraq.


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Posted by A free Iraq
a resident of another community
on Mar 17, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Is this going to be different from the pro-Saddam Hussein rally that was just held this past Saturday at Kings Plaza?
At that rally it seemed that most of the people there were against the overthrow of Hussein. I guess when you live thousands of miles away you can be nostalgic for the good old days in Iraq.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 17, 2008 at 3:18 pm

People who "demonstrate" where they pay no price are the useful idiots of the revolution. The difference between their criticism of government and mine is that I understand government and want to improve it, they have more faith in chaos. You don't always get what you want, but if you trash the process then the rule goes to the mob.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Demonstrations? Now? Five years after 2003?

Our president solemnly promised us our troops would be home in August 2003, showered in rose petals, with the war paid for in full with Iraqi oil revenues.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2008 at 4:26 pm

This is the 13th anniversery of the initial bombing of Yugoslavia, by NATO. It is the 9th anniversery of the second-wave bombing to prevent the Serbs from protecting their own Kosovo agaisnt KLA attacks. The Serbs did it the old fashioned, and typically brutal way (for that area). Bill Clinton said American troops would be out of there in a year or so. We are still there. The entire area is about to blow up. In case some young pups don't understand, Serb nationalism was the flash point for WWI.

Iraq is puppy food, compared to the Balkans.

Let the EU deal with the Balkans. The U.S. can handle Iraq. The EU will need to grow up...FAST! After all, it is their back yard! Maybe they can work some of their vaunted diplomatic magic. The Serbs will probably just shoot bullets through it, but that would the EU's problem. Maybe the EU can send some Dutch troops in there to handle it, then debate it all at the UN...then beg the US to come in, AGAIN, to save the day. When this all occurs, we should just let the EU save its own day. It will be Clinotns' (both of them) legacy.

The real question is: Will the EU grow up...ever?


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Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2008 at 4:41 pm



Is this a repeat of the tiny, geriatric, 60s nostalgic event on Saturday?


The fact is we are in Iraq and the best way out is but winning


Peace through victory



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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Gary

Unfortunately, the EU is now just as much of a melting pot as the US is.
Gone are the days of the individual nations with their individual cultures and their traditional standards. Even small countries such as Ireland are now able to use their voting in EU affairs as a bargaining tool whereas in the past their traditional stand of not taking sides made them almost ignore what was going on in the rest of the world, let alone Europe (their press during WWII called the War "the emergency" and barely mentioned it).

For the EU to make a united stand on anything, the individual countries have to put personal policies aside and work out what is best for Europe as a whole, something very unlikely now that all the small power hungry nations are fully fledged members.


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Posted by ?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Candlelight vigil?

All welcome to come and bear witness?

To what will the witnesses witness?


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Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2008 at 4:51 pm



? but they are there to witness themselves-- the great journey into the self.

A family safe term would be narcissism but i can thing of more graphic

and colorful terms.

we should put these people to work fixing pot holes




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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2008 at 5:02 pm

"For the EU to make a united stand on anything, the individual countries have to put personal policies aside and work out what is best for Europe as a whole"

Resident,

This means that the EU is only united on paper. Said another way, it is a paper tiger. The USA only became united through a brutal civil war. When the EU actually has to face up to its own survival, the coming Balkan war, it will just fade away. Britain, Germany, France and Russia will need to deal with it, as usual. Sound familiar?

I can imagine a President Obama, having declared his total opposition to war, watching the slaughter in Europe, make a call to arms, declare a draft, and send our boys over there to fight the war to end all wars. Sound familiar?


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Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2008 at 5:07 pm



The UN force is a bunch of social workers with guns, they are hopeless and ineffective. The EU forces apart from UK are just police men.

One good outcome of Iraq is that we have upgraded our war fighting capability for the coming conflicts





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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2008 at 5:57 pm

So, Gary, it would seem the demonstrators have a very good point. Our presidents cannot be trusted to keep their word about their wars. After all, we still have boocoo troops in Korea 56 years after Eisenhower got himself elected promising to end the mess over there. And Bush has just let that enemy go nucular.

Only the gullible trust war promises. Shall we expect you on MLK Plaza?


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2008 at 11:24 pm

"So, Gary, it would seem the demonstrators have a very good point. Our presidents cannot be trusted to keep their word about their wars. After all, we still have boocoo troops in Korea 56 years after Eisenhower got himself elected promising to end the mess over there. And Bush has just let that enemy go nucular"

Paul,

Life is not always nice, right? Remember FDR lying about not wanting war (while he was doing everything he could to foment it)? And here we are, all these decades later, with troops still in Germany. Go figure.

Just today, Hillary said she would have all troops out of Iraq within 60 days of her innaugaration. If you believe that, then Rev. Wright, has a sermon for you about lying white women. Even Obama, is not that foolish.

Have a good time at your little rally.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 18, 2008 at 11:11 pm

You seem at least as unhappy about our endless troop deployments as I am, Gary. And McCain has already promised 100 years in Iraq, so guess how long our soldiers will really be there.

That's what the MLK rally is all about. You really should come on over. You know you should.

Do it. Nobody on this forum knows your face.


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