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"The Sanctuary State" Californias illegal NIGHTMARE!

Original post made by Brittanicus, another community, on Jan 19, 2008

California communities on a course for an economic catastrophe!

SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is expected next month to gear-up immediately for major cuts in state services, which includes a plan to take back $1.4 billion budgeted for education this year and a proposal to slash the prison population by releasing tens of thousands of low- risk inmates.

The two strategies are among a wide spectrum of spending reductions The governor will propose an outline to address a projected $14.5-billion state budget gap. On Friday, the Republican announced that he would declare a fiscal emergency Jan. 10, when he unveils his next budget.

In hosting this nations largest population of illegal immigrants, California masses huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income, poorly educated segment of the state. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) investigated the costs of education, health care and imprisonment of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. and rising. Among the key finding of the report are that California is already struggling K-12 education system. It spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to educate the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals. Taxpayers have to supplement thousands of rogue businesses who pay low wages and offer no healthcare or any other benefits. Hense taxpayers are forced by Federal and state law to support the California population of foreign nationals with their large families, who need subsidised shelter, healthcare and other government handouts they never paid into.

Taxpayers must realize their taxes are corporate welfare, because the contractor or company owner gets the profit from hiring illegal workers and walks away quite happily without any further obligations. When injured a illegal foreign national is more than likely to be dropped-off on the steps of a hospital emergency, where you the citizen pay the huge expense for surgery or any other longtime hospitalization?

"The Golden state's addiction to 'cheap' illegal slave labor is bankrupting the state coffers and posing enormous pressure on the state's shrinking middle class tax base," stated Dan Stein, President of FAIR. "Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become."

The annual cost to taxpayers is about $22 billion a year according to Center for Immigration Studies and the tax burden will grow -- because 15 million more immigrants are set to arrive by year 2017 according to their latest research.

More than 10 million immigrants have arrived since year 2000; it is estimated that nearly 6 million are illegal. All told, the group of immigrants now account for 38 million at the moment according to the White House's own census bureau.

Remember this when you vote on super Tuesday? It's your tax dollars officials are spending and allowing California to become a magnet to millions of illegal recipients, while citizens suffering the consequences of a "Sanctuary State" mentality.

Remember when you vote on "Super Tuesday" that your vote portends the future of your children, your job, your language and the Constitution? This free-movement of illegal, cheap labor, is the underhand agenda of the globalist open-border, terrible free trade. This occurance has already taken hold in the European Union, which is causing untold misery in countries like Britain. Most Democrats have voted for AMNESTY, whereas only two Presidential candidates have signed a pledge to stop any path to citizenship for the estimated 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants.

For unsuppressed news go to NUMBERSUSA and you decide the future of California and our great nation!

Comments (32)

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Posted by Charles
a resident of Mountain View
on Jan 19, 2008 at 4:53 pm

California has been committing slow suicide for several decades. Illegal immigration is only one measure of it. Hyperregulation of free enterprize is another. It's refusal to build more fresh water storage dams is another. It's refusal to address its energy crisis is still another. It is beyond crazy that California does not embrace nuclear power.

These various self-inflicted wounds are not additive, they are multiplied. It is a true crisis, and no governor or or other polictican has an answer for it, under the current paradigm. As the crisis deepens, we will begin to see some leadership that is willing to make hard choices.


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Posted by nguoi my
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:51 pm

When I moved to California in 1964, it had the best schools and best public infrastructure in the country. Now, the schools are 48th, and finding a metric for infrastructure is next to impossible...

Except if you drive over the state border on any interstate highway to any bordering state, then you have the answer.

Illegal immigration is just the latest insult of a slow and intentional decline to 3rd world status inflicted by liberals.

The monetary and social cost of liberalism is rendering California, indeed, the country, to 3rd world status.

If I'm forced to live in a 3rd world country, it won't be California, it will be a country of my choice, and one with a potential to advance - California has no such potential when the largest demographic is the illegal peoples that Mexico doesn't want.

Having said this, I do want to thank liberals for one thing.... The thing I will cash in on on my way out. Thank you so much Palo Alto Libs for making my P.O.S. Eichler worth a million plus. If there weren't so many of of your kind, my cheap-o post war bulldozer bait Eichler would have plowed under year ago. Instead it's a "historic structure"....

For like minded souls, I'll be in TPHCM next year, pursuing a business there I've been working to develop for a couple of years. Yeah, they are Commies, but next to Palo Alto Libs, they are capitalists in the world's fastest expanding economy...

And California is the world's fastest shrinking economy.....



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Posted by Joanna
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:41 pm

nguoi, you sound very intelligent. ;-)

All kidding aside, you should do some research before you write. Do you even know what 1st and 2nd world countries are? After you look it up, don't be to hard on yourself.

It is very simple really. Expenses paid to heal and educate "illegal aliens" = x Total benefit and utility (direct and indirect) realized across all industries that we enjoy = y

Morons believe that x > y.

y is incalculable. It just has so many far reaching consequences. You wouldn't know what hit you if your "illegal aliens" were taken out of the equation. Prices of so many products and services would change so fast your head will spin.

Them minu't boys sure do like to look at one side of the numbers and let Rush Limbaugh tell them the rest. Thank God there are only a few small minded people. I hope there are more educated people out there who have their heads out of their, um, .....

We need to wake up and stop thinking in an "us and them" mentality if we want to move forward.

What I'm saying is that it should be very very hard to point a finger at a group of people if you have your facts (yes, all of them, not spun opinions). If you still find that you can point your finger easily... then something is wrong.


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Posted by Lee
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:23 am

Our unemployment figures are low, yet the undocumented immigrants find plenty of jobs to make coming here worth their while. Read the current issue of Atlantic to see how much business depends on their labor and how many businesses would go belly up without them. It also points out that nowadays, with smaller families (fewer children) and families living far apart, it's becoming increasingly harder for children to help Mom and Dad in their frail last years, and who will take up the slack for all us baby boomers? The services of immigrants with low education will be needed.

Our government failed to protect the borders back in the 80's and 90's when governors of border states were begging for relief. Uncle Sam might as well have put out a welcome mat, so I don't particularly blame the immigrants who took advantage of empty laws. They came because there was plenty of work, and now our economy depends on them.

We need a system that doesn't criminalize behavior that our government turned a blind eye to. We need a system that acknowledges the need for these workers in our economy. And we need a system that makes it so that we have laws that are respectetd, and that also means that we have to have laws that respect people.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:28 am

We need a system that prosecutes misprision of a felony in public officials.
If Illegals were to start voting republican rather than democrat, you would see a whirlwind of enforcement.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 21, 2008 at 10:11 am

Those who decided to cross our borders illegally are primarily responsible for the immigration problem that we now have. Yes, the government of both Mexico and the U.S. should have been proactive in stopping it, but place the blame where it should be . . . on those that commit the crime of entering our country illegally. Deal with that problem first by placing most of the blame on those who chose to cross our border illegally. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the illegal aliens carry the majority of it. To do otherwise would be like asserting that while the murderer is wrong for killing someone against the laws of our country, we should look at how the victim made the murderer commit the crime before we begin to punish the murderer. There may be several levels of murder, but it's still murder.


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Posted by Brittanicus
a resident of another community
on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:41 pm

California was my home in the 60's, when I was a student at UCLA. Back then I had followed the doctrine of the Democratic party, but I have long since changed my mind about either side of the aisle. When my eyes first perceived the rapid deterioration of certain parts of Los Angeles, I was unlike a growing thrall of ultra liberal morons as I began to protest the awful metamorphosis of our great city. My stomach turned by the cars rusting along streets and trash that was accumulating. The crime rate began to rise and then the pandemic of drug deaths started to slide the whole of this nation into a living nightmare. Our highways are congested and our portable water is shown shortages like never before. In my ex-girlfriends neighborhood that was one tranquil and a pleasing environment, is now full of single family homes, crammed with illegal families and children, who have thrown their garbage over the fence. Their chickens and goats leave the property and wander the community. The San Fernando valley began to change for the worse, as wave upon wave of foreign nationals transformed streets into no more than ghettos. I was one of a large crowd of U.S. citizens and people with legal residency, who stood under the flag of the United States outside the federal building. It was a large protest until the crazy "Conquestas" could not stand our peaceful congregation no more and I ended up on the receiving end of a frozen can of soda. After that violent confrontation, I realized we could only exert our frustration and anger with the power of the pen. I have watched the transformation of this country from shore to shiny shore. You cannot tell me for one minute that we must have voting ballots in 60 languages or judicial documents in the same?

You cannot convince me that any other country panderers to illegal foreign aliens like this land? I have cousins in the once great country of England, that is suffering inexorably from the globalist agenda, with the free movement of cheap workers from Northern Europe. My sabbatical has taken me around the world, where I have collected a great deal of data on immigration law from other countries. See how Mexico treats illegal usurpers from Guatemalan and other Latin American countries. Many are shot and buried along their border and no questions asked. In Italy the regular police can ask for your I.D. on the street. I became disenchanted with a academic curriculum, our education system, so I dropped my life, and roamed the world as a Steward on any cruise ship that would take me somewhere. I even finally worked as a cabin steward on the Swedish American line. Today I am a retired University professor who no longer believes in the motto beneath the statue of liberty. Of course I welcome honest new immigrants like my friend John from Haiti, or Carlo from Italy who both marched to the tune of immigrating to America legally. I do not welcome the destitute and poor, who taxpayers are expected to support with education, welfare and a overcrowded prison system. My charity begins at home, here--America! Lets look after our own people first? The Russian polgroms of the 19th century brought crowded ships of newcomers to Ellis Island, who had nothing and asked for nothing? There was no welfare or Social Services, but they survived and were successful. They didn't speak English, but they taught themselves with gramophone records. These immigrant wave do not want to assimilate into American society, they want to spend taxpayers money to learn English. Some others believe our street signs should be their native language, and demand rights which even citizens are declined for? Press one for English?

My affiliation today is with Lou Dobbs, Micheal Savage, who for the most part are Independent (populist) Not as most think protectionists, but sincere individuals who believe American taxpayers should come first? These men and women associate themselves with the original founding fathers who fought in the 1776 revolution. None as I know have any racial prejudice, as long as they enter our land legally. We cannot accept the world across our doorstep, as it is economically a progressive disaster. The globalist agenda is the free flow of people, but overpopulation will produce anarchy. Read the European newspapers suppressed by our own national press to absorb the unrest over immigration, force on them by the open-border, free-commerce. France is a good example? If we keep this liberal, NEOCOM movement to allow slave labor to keep crossing our borders, I perceive the same conflagration in our future. Unless we have fair and uncorrupted free-markets such as with Cafta and Nafta, this will propagate massive conflicts on our future.

As I have said, my days of physical protest are over? Presently, I use the word processor; the Internet. I make my comments nationwide in blogs, message boards and inform THE PEOPLE. America of our silent fight for survival. We have seen the erosion of our Constitutional rights, our standard of living. We have been inoculated with people who are stealing the American dream, from citizens who were born here. The pariah businesses care nothing for the taxpayers, as many live in gated communities or not even on this continent. Their greed has closed thousands of once successful industries, in the name of International globalism. Nearly seventy I have seen America erode, our language, a national flag. We have been betrayed by the majority of our politicians, for monetary favors to feather their nests. We have many Benedict Arnold's around us, who have no loyalty for all the American people.


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Posted by Joanna
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Hahaha... It seems that the few comments posted here before my original post have run the spectrum from simply ignorant to misguided.

I can't address the laws and the lack of enforcement over the century, but I can address our current situation with undocumented humans in our country.

In most cases, the undocumented humans risked their life to work to benefit their own families and as a by-product, our own families. We don't get monthly checks for the amount of value and utility we receive by undocumented human labor. If we did, then we would acknowledge the benefit and how it pales in comparison to education and health care. The "cost of these services" is very very low when compared to what we get out of their hard work. This is a fact.

I don't want to get off topic, but most Americans identify themselves as Christian or at least by values declaring equal rights for all. These "illegals" might just grow up to cure the cancer that you'll get or that your family will get. Castigating a group of humans who want to work makes no sense. If you know anything, then you would know that the immigrant mentality is to work... not to relax and leech off society. I know plenty of "Americans" who are on unemployment and enjoying every minute of it. I know of many "Americans" who get handouts from the Government. The immigrant culture believes in earning, not taking.

Some ignorant folks will paint a ugly picture... about "them" taking this and that from our budgets. Get a clue and wake up.

I too have traveled the world. The only difference is that I tried to talk to locals on their own level... not judging as an American.

I can't imagine how anyone could group some people as "illegals" and want to banish them to hell.

When you cheat on your taxes or run a red light (and anyone who says they don't break ANY law is full of it!), then you should be called an illegal because that is your status.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm

Joanna: You must be joking..you are equating running a red light with people who are living here without our permission? So, we should do nothing?

Ok, in that case, I guess breaking and entering into homes should be outdated also, since most of us have jay-walked at some point.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm

Also...in California alone health care, education and imprisonment of illegal aliens and children of illegal aliens cost us 9 billion per year..our deficit is 14 billion...hmmm..


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Posted by Joanna
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jan 21, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Hahahaha....


@Perspective: You missed the point completely. Breaking any law, and that means ANY law, is illegal. So you're an illegal. I guess I am too. If you cheat on your taxes, and I jaywalk, we are both breaking laws. Get it?

I wonder what those deficit numbers would look like with one very very important metric.

I'm done. Thanks.


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Posted by GetReal
a resident of another community
on Jan 21, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Perspective:
"Also...in California alone health care, education and imprisonment of illegal aliens and children of illegal aliens cost us 9 billion per year..our deficit is 14 billion...hmmm.."

Where did you pull that number out of - Michael Savage? Lou Dobbs?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 21, 2008 at 8:28 pm

Thanks Brittanicus. You clearly have an understanding of what is happening to the United States today. Some on this thread are clueless.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 21, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Who came up with this one? Corporate welfare in the form of cheap labor for certain businesses while the taxpayers foot the bill for medical, social sevices, and educational benefits for their workers. Nice scam.


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Posted by steve levy
a resident of University South
on Jan 22, 2008 at 4:32 pm

There are roughly 2 million unauthorized immigrant workers in California. For the most part they have low educational and skill levels and work in jobs that pay below average wages.

There are at most 300,000 unemployed Californians with the same educational and skill sets.

For the people who are upset by the unauthorized immigrant workers, what is your theory about how these jobs might be better handled?

If California imports poorly skilled workers from other states, they will not earn enough to pay much in taxes and will be eligible for many more public services than unauthorized immigrant workers. I understand all of the arguments about "what part of illegal don't you understand" but I fail to see how our fiscal situation is improved if you substitute poor legal residents for poor unauthorized immigrant residents.

And the right to a free public education has been tested time and time again in the courts and is what the constitution guarantees.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 22, 2008 at 5:54 pm

---"And the right to a free public education has been tested time and time again in the courts and is what the constitution guarantees."---
That's interesting. I have heard that before. Where in the constitution does it say that?


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Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 22, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Wray,

Please go back to reading Ayn Rand, and leave the real thinking to the pros.

In case you didn't understand what Mr. Levy said, he said that the right to a public education has been tested, even if it isn't expicity written that way in the Constitution.

Oh, is that Ron Paul calling? You'd better pick up....


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Posted by Brittanicus
a resident of another community
on Jan 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm

The annual cost to taxpayers is about $22 billion a year according to Center for Immigration Studies and the tax burden will grow -- because 15 million more immigrants are set to arrive by year 2017 according to their latest research.
More than 10 million immigrants have arrived since year 2000; it is estimated that nearly 6 million are illegal. All told, the group of immigrants now account for 38 million at the moment according to the White House's own census bureau.
This is all you need?
Web Link


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Posted by steve levy
a resident of University South
on Jan 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm

thanks Mike. I think a more accurate way to say what I tried to express is that there is no right to discriminate against resident children born to unauthorized immigrants in U.S. public K-12 education.

that was the basis of the overturn of that part of Prop 187.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 22, 2008 at 6:57 pm

Steve, That makes more sense. A "right" to an education would mean that some are slaves to provide that service. That's entirely different than non-discrimination.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 22, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Brittanicus,

I love that map, because it tells me what a bargain Americans are getting from the cheap labor provided by hard-working immigrants.

Do you like your apples at $.89# ? How about all the other goodies that hit your table, at very reasonable prices - compared to what those prices would be at even minimum wage?

How about all the cheap restaurant labor (cooks, dishwashers, busboys) that keeps your meal prices down? Landscaping? Factory workers? Hotel workers? Construction workers? Day laborers (often stiffed by contractors who happen to be American citizens)? Painters? Car Washers? Gas Station attendant? Supermarket workers? Janitors? House cleaners? Car mechanics and auto body workers (including tire changers)?

I could go on, but you get the idea. All those people SAVE you money in opportunity cost dollars; they also pay taxes.

Capital and infrastructure flow cross-border, so does labor - get used to it, and stop picking on people that YOUR government helped to put out of work, so that they had no choice to come here.


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Posted by Brittanicus
a resident of another community
on Jan 22, 2008 at 7:17 pm

We all have the right to FREE SPEECH!


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Posted by Stephen
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jan 22, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Steve Levy,

"For the people who are upset by the unauthorized immigrant workers, what is your theory about how these jobs might be better handled?"

Well, Steve, one can start with the assumption that illegals drive down wages. In fact, it is a new form of near-slavery. If the border was secured, wages would go up for hard manual labor, as it should. It would also incentivize automation in many areas, especially agriculture. Apples would cost more, perhaps, but our schols districts, hospitals, police and prisons would cost less.

And yes, Steve, what part of "illegal" do you not understand?


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Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 22, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Stephen, perhaps you should look into the structural problems that encourage "illegal" immigration. Really, it's ad hoc "legal" immigration, given the various subtle "permissions" that are in force to encourage immigration.

Web Link

Now, following that, understand that YOUR tax dollars have gone a long way toward putting millions of Mexicans out of work, and keeping them in poverty.

We'll get to that next.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 23, 2008 at 12:49 am

Well Mike, that's just another reason to cut taxes even further. We certainly don't want our tax dollars spent keeping Mexicans in poverty!


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Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 23, 2008 at 2:15 am

Bob, Instead, you might call your Congressional representative, and make sure that the Farm Bill doesn't pork up the wealthy farm interests, like Cargill, etc., in a way that causes decimation to hard-working people.

YOUR tax dollars have been going for corn price supports, which has led to giant American agribusinesses putting a million Mexican farmers out of work (as well as other farmers, like apple farmers in NW Mexico). This has decimated the livelihood of millions in rural Mexico, where farming was the main occupation. Mexico is just one victim of this policy - Nigeria and other countries have been badly hurt as well.

Blowback....

Now, these same American agribusinesses have been pushing ethanol (lame), which is pushing UP the price of corn to a point where poor Mexicans can no longer afford this staple.

Enjoy your fruits and vegetables, Bob - and thank your lucky stars that fate didn't plant you in one of those small Mexican villages as a farmer.





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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 23, 2008 at 4:30 am

The acceptance of illegal immigrants from Mexico is a great force in denying fundamental rights to Mexicans. If the safety valve of US employment were not available, the 400 families plus the drug kings would not be able to hold the people down.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:26 am

The influx of dirt cheap labor from Mexico and other countries in the form of illegal immigrants has forced LEGAL US citizen, low wage workers out of their jobs and into poverty. They must then compete with the illegals for the dwindling social services aid to feed and house their families. Here again they are at a disadvantage since many illegals get paid "under the table" and there is no record of their true income (it is not taxed either). On paper they appear qualified for certain benefits when in fact they are not. NO one sees or cares about the true victims of these unjust practices. And they are our own citizens.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 23, 2008 at 5:02 pm

Well said Resident from EPA.


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Posted by Reality Check
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 23, 2008 at 5:25 pm

Yadda, yadda, yadda - on the anti-illegals go, as they all take a nice, tasty bite from their inexpensive apples, after a nice cheap meal at the taqueria.

What about the experiment (I think it was in Arizona) where a whole bunch of immigrant labor jobs were opened up to the public - no one applied!

Cluetime!!


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Posted by Commentor
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 24, 2008 at 12:31 am

Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

FAIR, as in just like Fox News being "Fair & Balanced"?

Walter:
"The acceptance of illegal immigrants from Mexico is a great force in denying fundamental rights to Mexicans."

Like you give a (fill in blank here) about the fundamental rights of Mexicans, Walt. That's like saying Huckabee cares about atheists!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 24, 2008 at 1:12 am

It is abundantly clear from these posts that the "good hearted" liberals care more about their agendas than they do about the suffering of America's own poor!


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