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Original post made by R Wray, Palo Verde, on Jan 18, 2008

The basic idea behind America is individual rights. We had some implementation faults and had a civil war to correct a major one. By now racism should be dead. It should certainly not be implemented by the government. The Indian tribal system should not be recognized by law.
I always vote against these propositions. We should not encourage racism and tribalism. The Indians need to assimilate and become American individuals.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:38 am

Since gambling is supposedly illegal, why should we allow tribal gambling establishments. This is something that has more underlying politics than helping the tribes. Something more like keeping Californian residents from popping over the Nevada and spending their gambling and vacational/recreational $$$ where we don't get the revenue.

If we need to help the tribes, we should be teaching them a trade and helping them to make a future for themselves, not giving them a legal loophole to get rich off the idiots who like to gamble.


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Posted by need more information
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:43 am

Why should they assimilate when they were here first?

I agree that we should encourage integration and that native Americans should have the opportunity to become part of mainstream America. However, if they so chose, they should also have the option of maintaining and living their cultural heritage.

Unfortunately I don't yet know enough about these propositions to form an opinion. At face value they appear to be trying to change agreements after the fact.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 18, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Eliminate all laws regulating gambling, then apply ordinary business taxes to anyone wanting to offer a gambling service. As for the Indians, they lost. We ain't gonna give it back any more than they gave it back th o those they took it from.


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Posted by ANewLowFromWalt
a resident of Monroe Park
on Jan 18, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Walter:
"As for the Indians, they lost. We ain't gonna give it back any more than they gave it back th o those they took it from."

Just when you thought you'd heard it all from good old Walt, he comes up with something new that makes you shake your head and wish he'd go retire somewhere else far, far away.


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Posted by OneOtherThing
a resident of Monroe Park
on Jan 18, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Oh by the way, the same goes for the original poster - R Wray - who surely must be a relative of Walt (let's hope so).


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Posted by atleastthesameage
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 18, 2008 at 2:14 pm

I believe Mr Wray is also in his 70s. So they are from a similar era.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 18, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Why not tell me where I was wrong, poster boy? Or is it facing truth that upsets you? Perhaps you should not stray from sports and the funnies,whippersnapper.


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Posted by need more information
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 18, 2008 at 4:33 pm

I think he was viewing your comment as "they lost therefore we can do what we want to them".

Where do you draw the line of a conquering people? Should the conquered be forced to give up their own language, change religion, give up their children to be raised in "civilized" homes and assimilated? All things that have happened in the past with the best of intentions. The OP is suggesting as much and you appear to be supporting them.

As I said, I haven't read enough of these propositions but I doubt they are asking for their land back if that's all you were saying.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:49 pm

I don't see you writing Latin and worshiping Zeus.


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Posted by rick
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:57 am

The U.S. of A. is the "Homeland" of the american Indians just as the Zionists claim that the area known as Palistine is their homeland. The American Indians haven' and don't have the weapons to reclaim it. Anyone who fought them if they did have the weapons would be called "Terrorists" by our standards.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:22 am

How! Indians who chose to assimilate are allowed to. Those who chose to emulate their version of ancestral living are facilitated in that, with pickups substituting for ponies, which earlier substituted for shank's mare. The earlier attempts to force assimilation by banning tribal languages and practices have largely been acknowledged as wrong. We err now in the opposite direction, allowing Indian con men to use their religion as an extortion tool. I had hopes Indians would go libertarian, but they seem to prefer the government beef. Pity.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:36 am

Well said, Walter. There is a difference between FORCING to assimilate or be on Reservations...and facilitating poor choices.

In fact, our policies have created several subsets of society who are rewarded for poor choices, virtually trapping them into poverty as effectively as any "apartheid" policies used to do.

I vote against anything which encourages dependence and separatism.


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