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City of Palo Alto hires guard for rail crossing
Palo Alto police chief says outside company provides consistent presence officers can't provide

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The Palo Alto Police Department has hired a security company to help monitor the West Meadow Drive rail intersection -- a move the city hopes will discourage emotionally fragile youth from ending their lives there.

Guards from Admiral Security Services of Oakland began work Monday and may continue through the end of the school year, according to Palo Alto Police Chief Dennis Burns.

The guards were hired to patrol the crossing from morning to night during the hours the trains operate. Their job is to observe and report any suspicious activity to the Palo Alto police, Burns said. If a potential crisis arises, the guard is to contact police, who will relay the information immediately to Caltrain. At night, the guards have been instructed to bring a flashlight and binoculars to scan the tracks, he added.

"I feel good about it," Burns said. "Our staffing is such that we couldn't guarantee an officer (would be stationed there) all the time. With this solution, we have someone out there. We have someone to make a call."

Burns said the city has worked with Admiral Security Services before, and staff was pleased with the company's work.

Since May, four Palo Alto teenagers have lost their lives at West Meadow, an otherwise ordinary rail crossing used by thousands of cars, bicyclists and pedestrians each day.

In response, parents and other residents in October formed "Palo Alto Track Watch," a group whose members sit on the sidewalk near the crossing daily. Concerned that a "suicide cluster" had formed, the volunteers said they wanted their track monitoring to show teens how much people care. They also hoped their presence would change the attraction of the rail intersection and therefore break the cluster, they said.

Volunteer-group leader Caroline Camhy Rothstein said she welcomes the new guards.

"It will make a huge difference in making the area safe. We're glad the city has done it," she said.

The group will continue its monitoring, focusing more at the Charleston Road and Churchill Avenue rail crossings, she said. So far, the volunteers have seen some teens who looked "a bit shaky," though none lingered on the tracks.

"We've always believed that simply being out there, we cause people at risk to think ... (and) we've changed the outcome," Camhy Rothstein said.

The goal is for people who are experiencing troubles not to come to the tracks seeking an option but to turn to family members, friends or school resources, she added.

Camhy Rothstein said she met and spoke with one guard Tuesday morning.

"He's a very hardworking person. ... He's sincere about being out there. If there are days he's not paid, he said he might come out anyway," she said.

The cost for a guard is $25 per hour, and the city is accepting donations to fund the program, according to Burns. Patrolling the tracks with police officers full-time was "cost prohibitive."

Additional volunteer track monitors are welcome, Camhy Rothstein said.

In addition to the rail watch, another group of Palo Altans is asking Caltrain to slow its trains to 5 mph from West Meadow to Charleston. The petition, signed by about 80 people as of Tuesday afternoon, states Caltrain would take 4 seconds to pass the West Meadow crossing at 5 mph, instead of less than one second at 60 mph.

The petition also states that changing the train speed is a short-term solution: "Slower trains now will give us time as a community to work together in a launching a multi-factorial effort to curb teen depression and suicide over the long term."

The group plans to approach Caltrain at its Dec. 3 board meeting to raise its concerns. View the petition.

Donations to fund the West Meadow security guards can be sent to Barbara Teixeira, c/o Rail Crossing Watch Fund, Palo Alto Police Department, 275 Forest Ave., Palo Alto, CA, 94301.

Information about volunteer track monitoring is available at Palo Alto Track Watch and by e-mailing hopepaloalto@gmail.com.


Comments

Posted by train rider, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:10 pm

I think this security guard makes a lot more sense than demanding that Caltrain travel at 5mph through Palo Alto. Maybe the egg wars people can pay for the guards as their restitution.


Posted by Jack, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:58 pm

The assumption must be that suicide, at a given location, is contagious. There is no other logical conclusion. This will become an interesting social experiment. If the suicides switch to a different site, like Churchill or Charleston, then the magnet effect will be diminished. However, if there are no more suicides, then the contagion theory will be enhanced. If the suicides move to other means, like jumping off bridges or hangings or shootings, then one is left with the theory that they are inevitable, within a given population and environment.


Posted by Karen, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:39 pm

This is a cluster by any reasonable definition. And it is an incredible tragedy that such youthful folks with everything to live for end their lives before they even understand the potential of their lives. I applaud all those working to end this ongoing tragedy. People can and do make a difference all the time. And it can happen here as well.


Posted by Parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:45 pm

Caltrain should pay for the security. Their operations are not secure, and their ROW and train speed is an attractive nuisance. If I own an unfenced pool and a kid jumps in and drowns, I'm at fault. If you run a train too fast and too accessible through populated areas where kids have free access - well, I'm just surprised we don't see any lawsuits against Caltrain yet. They are not securing their premises, and why should the community damaged by the trains be paying for the security?


Posted by Midtowner, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:03 pm

To Parent of Another Palo Alto neighborhood

Trains are so heavy that by definition they are dangerous. The only real solution is to eliminate all railroad crossings such as the ones at East Meadow and Charleston. I hope this happens sooner rather than later.

As to suing Caltrain... Should we sue pharmaceutical companies when someone commits suicide by overdosing on a medication? Same thing where I am concerned. We are fully warned that the crossing is dangerous.

Good that there is a guard there now though until a more permanent solution is found.


Posted by Karen, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Has it occurred to anyone that as soon as the elevated rails go in for high speed trains that it will mean the end of suicide by train... the end of accidental pedestrian death by train... the end of car accidents by train. Did I mention that those extremely loud train whistles that constantly wake my kids up would also become a thing of the past? ... well it would mean the end of that too. Come on people!!!! It time to really save lives. Embrace a more peaceful, environmentally friendly, safe way to live in Palo Alto.


Posted by train rider, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:48 pm

Karen, you are right. If grade separations are put in, the train tracks will be more like BART, where you never hear about deaths away from the train stations.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:06 am
Walter_E_Wallis is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online

Finally, rational comment about resolution.


Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:09 am

A crossing guard ... doesn't that sort of imply that they fatalities on these tracks were accidental in some way? Is here any reason for that?

Why can't all of this go underground by the way? It just seems like such an elegant solution and the gain of that land throughout the whole city would really be nice. A bike path down Alma, more parks in an area where people can use them.


Posted by BLUNTED WEDGE, a resident of the Community Center neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:22 am

Would it be wiser to install a device on the train that pushes the person off the track rather than crush them. The technology is not new. The person may get hurt but not die.


Posted by the watcher, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:39 am

In the meantime (and on a positive note,) hiring a security company to watch over the area makes good sense.

This issue can be discussed until all the eagles fly home to stir their nest, but the problem will still go un-resolved if nothing is done immediately.

At least the PAPD is responding to the public outcry. I applaud Chief Burns (and all involved) for making and implementing a plan of action to halt the train suicides. You go Dennis!


Posted by Anna, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:39 am

Good.


Posted by Parent, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:40 am

That's great logic Parent. We should go even further. The city of Palo Alto should be held liable for any accidents or deaths that occur on its roadways. The roadways are unsafe, and people are dying and getting injured constantly! Demand PA shut them down, force cars to go at 5 mph or be held liable for the results! Action now!


Posted by Fuzzy Math, a resident of another community, on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:46 am

>The petition, signed by about 80 people as of Tuesday

>afternoon, states Caltrain would take 4 seconds to

>pass the West Meadow crossing at 5 mph

5mph = (1760/3600)*5 yards/sec = 2.44 yards/sec,

so this only works if the train is under 10 yards long.

Or do they mean that the front of the train will take 4 seconds

to cross the street, which is about 10 yards wide?


Posted by Resident, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:09 am

All I can say is that Palo Alto must be rolling in money to hire Admiralty Security Services of Oakland to stand guard at East Meadow and the railroad tracks. How long is this contract for? Glad I voted against the business tax.

This comes at a time when the Police Department are planning to cut costs by possibly doing away with their motorcycle cops who do traffic control, and reassigning them to patrol duty. Our city's priorities are all skrewed up.


Posted by Wondering?, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:35 am

Why isn't the school district contributing to this expense, since they are clearly involved in whatever is causing these young people to end their lives at this location?


Posted by murphstahoe, a resident of another community, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:42 am

I rode the train through PA this morning. The distance between Embarcadero and San Antonio is not that far - Meadow and Charleston could reasonably be closed to traffic and fenced off, eliminating the access to the train tracks. The net delay to motorists would be nominal compared to the delay that would be suffered by train riders should the 5 MPH concept be implemented.

The primary downside would be for pedestrians and cyclists - the distance is more daunting on foot and the San Antonio crossing is not friendly outside the confines of a car. A pedestrian/bike overpass is far cheaper than a grade separated car crossing.


Posted by observer, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:43 am

THANK YOU to the Gunn students from last spring who started the track watch and to Caroline Camhy and parent volunteers staffing this fall's campaign. You have made a difference!


Posted by JM, a resident of the Charleston Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:44 am

I'm glad to hear that. It is the right approach. It's immediate, cheaper compared with all other options, and send out the right signal to the community: let's do something other than just debating.


Posted by Resident, a resident of the Charleston Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:50 am

I have been volunteering on Track Watch. When are we going to install a motion sensor light on the track in between the West Meadow and Charleston intersection?


Posted by May, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 am

The security guard is NOT a solution. Wake up Palo Alto and smell the depression! Parents - you MUST be the guardian of your child's security. You must STOP hovering and start REAL parenting. Be aware, be in the moment with your child. STOP pushing them to Harvard and get them through the week. Live in the present!

Bless you all this holiday season!


Posted by Enough, a resident of the Palo Alto Orchards neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Isn't that the Sheriff's bill??????


Posted by High School Parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Thank you, Police Dept. Good decision, and I'm grateful.


Posted by cieboy, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:06 pm

Good idea. Agree with Egg wars kids making a donation here at the most minimum.


Posted by Enough, a resident of the Palo Alto Orchards neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 pm

"Posted by Parent, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, 2 hours ago

"That's great logic Parent. We should go even further. The city of Palo Alto should be held liable for any accidents or deaths that occur on its roadways. The roadways are unsafe, and people are dying and getting injured constantly! Demand PA shut them down, force cars to go at 5 mph or be held liable for the results! Action now!"

This is the most ludicrous assertion I have ever read on this blog. Why would the City of Palo Alto be responsible for the actions of individuals?


Posted by Emily, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:56 pm

What a waste of money. One security guard at one crossing? Why wouldn't a teen just walk a few blocks to another intersection? If someone wants to commit suicide, they're going to find a way to do it. Even if you put a guard at every crossing. What's to stop a kid from going to Safeway and buying sleeping pills? Come on... get to the root of the problem. Don't blame the trains.


Posted by Paly Alum, a member of the Palo Alto High School community, on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:12 pm

The Frost For President posting was hilarious and was deleted! It was not offensive at all.

I agree that Skelly needs to de-stress the students' workloads and give them real time to relax, which is the root of the problem. When I attended Paly in the 80s no one committed suicide because academics were more relaxed back then.


Posted by Good work, a resident of the Greenmeadow neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:32 pm

Thanks to the city of Palo Alto police department for taking this step.

Obviously, this isn't the ONLY thing that should be done, nor is it the only thing that IS being done. However, lots of research has suggested that taking the momentum out of a suicide cluster site can eliminate incidents. Teen suicide is a crime of impulse, and these guards will arrest the impulse.

THANK you!


Posted by cc, a resident of the Southgate neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Ok, so when the City decides to stop placing a guard at the tracks, does this mean the City has some sort of liability for when the deaths start occuring again? I think yes, they do.

Stupid move


Posted by Bill, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:49 pm

From the north end of Palo Alto at Alma to the south at San Antonio is about 5 miles. At 5 mph it would take one hour to go the distance - plus the start/stop times at University and California Avenue. And closing off East Meadow, Charleston, and even Churchill is not practical for several reasons. I wish people would stop and think before offering ideas/solutions/comments.

Walter. What rational comment were you referring to?

This is a serious problem that needs rational discussion and decision making. Thanks to the parents et al who have sacrificed their comfort to mount guard at East Meadow. We'll never know if even one student was deterred from commiting suicide, but the sign of caring is so important to children.


Posted by On the Wrong Track, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:38 pm

Like May and Emily, GET A CLUE GUYS!!! This has NOTHING to do with monitoring the train tracks and everything to do with depression. The solution is to educate parents on the signs of depression so your children can get help from a qualified therapist BEFORE they decide to take their lives. Don't live in denial. Wake up parents.


Posted by Spokker, a resident of another community, on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:09 am

"Caltrain should pay for the security. Their operations are not secure, and their ROW and train speed is an attractive nuisance. If I own an unfenced pool and a kid jumps in and drowns, I'm at fault."

Uh, your pool is an attractive nuisance because swimming is fun. Unless you're making the argument that getting hit by a train is fun...


Posted by Spokker, a resident of another community, on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:15 am

"well, I'm just surprised we don't see any lawsuits against Caltrain yet."

I'm sure that any lawyer will tell their client that such a lawsuit is ridiculous and that it would get thrown out of court, and thank them for their consultation fee.


Posted by Charles, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 1:03 am

I can't believe people are stupid enough to suggest running the trains at 5 mph through Meadow and Charleston. Think of the traffic backups! The traffic is already bad enough at Charleston/Alma and Meadow/Alma intersections during rush hour. The train hits a sensor roughly 1/2 mile out from the crossing which causes the gates to go down. If the train is moving at 75 mph, a typical speed, it will take 24 seconds for the train to reach the crossing from the time the guard gates begin to go down. If the train has to slow down to 5 mph, it will take well over a minute, unless the sensor is moved closer to the crossing, which really doesn't make sense for a short-term measure. These people clearly know nothing about trains, and the amount of time required for a train to accelerate and brake. It takes the distance between Cal Ave and Meadow just for the train to accelerate from 0 to roughly 65 mph. The trains will never be able to get up to track speed between California Ave and the San Antonio station, due to the fact that these crossings are smack in the middle of the run, and that will have a serious impact on the Caltrain schedule.


Posted by charles, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 1:50 am

corection--I believe the crossing gate sensors do take the speed of the train into account and use that to adjust when the crossing gates go down. But still, the math stated below is totally fuzzy..

"The petition, signed by about 80 people as of Tuesday afternoon, states Caltrain would take 4 seconds to pass the West Meadow crossing at 5 mph, instead of less than one second at 60 mph."

The train with five coaches and an engine is approximately 500 feet long. At 60 mph, my calculator tells me it would take 5.68 seconds to pass a bystander. At 5 mph, the train would take 68 seconds to pass! When you have 10 trains an hour during rush hour, that's a lotta time to have an intersection blocked.


Posted by ODB, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:23 am

Wow, who knew the multifaceted problem of teen depression and suicide had a $25 per hour solution? I'm all for patrolling the intersections as a deterrent but it does not address the underlying malady.

Trains have been traveling through Palo Alto since 1864, 145 years, without suicide being a major problem until this year. The problem isn't the trains.

<< "That's great logic Parent. We should go even further. The city of Palo Alto should be held liable for any accidents or deaths that occur on its roadways. The roadways are unsafe, and people are dying and getting injured constantly! Demand PA shut them down, force cars to go at 5 mph or be held liable for the results! Action now!"

This is the most ludicrous assertion I have ever read on this blog. Why would the City of Palo Alto be responsible for the actions of individuals? >>

It's time to send that sarcasm meter in for repair.


Posted by Reader, a resident of another community, on Nov 26, 2009 at 10:52 am

The 5MPH petition is an impractical solution. The stretch between Charleston and Meadow is nearly 1/2 mile. If you include accelleration and decelleration time, it will take around 15 minutes to cover that distance at 5MPH.

The entire trip from San Jose to San Francisco is currently an hour. We have a hard enough time getting folks to ride public transit; increasing their travel time by 25% or more isn't going to help.

The security guard is fine in the short term, but how long are you going to pay someone to sit out there? How effective is one security guard going to be at monitoring these two crossings, let alone the entire 5 miles of track in Palo Alto?

Teenagers aren't dumb. They know that they can get just as much attention by throwing themselves in front of a train at Churchill, or in front of a bullet train at California Av station.

Even if you are able to this cluster of suicides by security measures, how does that prevent another cluster in the future (perhaps using a different method)?

This is not a Caltrain problem. This is not a police problem. This is a mental health problem. Rather than try to lock down 5 miles worth of track or slow the trains down to a crawl, how about we spend the same money and effort trying to figure out why teens want to kill themselves and bolster the resources available to help these kids and their parents?


Posted by Gunn Parent, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Nov 26, 2009 at 1:37 pm

You guys do not get it. You are thanking the city of palo alto and the police department for hiring the security guard. The reason they hired is because they felt embarrassed that a group of parents had to do it because no one was doing anything about it, not the district, not caltrain, and not the police. In fact when the last child died people call before, but the police came when the train had past, and it was too late. Here we are all at fault, parents (because we put pressure on our children too), cal train (for not doing anything about it after the first incident) and Gunn High School (for blowing things out of proportion when the first incident happened, and for not providing the necessary support for our students in pain since the first incident), (now they are) If the first suicide did not happened the others would not happened either. We should thank the parents who are there every night until 1:00 am by doing this they put pressure on the police department and the city, there were a lot of e-mails and meetings involved. The city did not just came out and said here "We are hiring a guard so you can go home and rest" Even now when there is a guard I still see parents there and on Charleston side, the reason for this is so they do not decide to stop paying the for the security guard once they see that parents are gone. So please stop thanking the city and the police. Thanks a lot volunteer parents who stay there very late to save our kids and make changes. Now can you please make changes in the administrations or let us know how to do it.


Posted by Casey Jones, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 1:55 pm

....... Trains have been traveling through Palo Alto since 1864, 145 years, without suicide being a major problem until this year. The problem isn't the trains.

That is right. This is about your feelings and feeling better as if you have done something to stop another action that you are unhappy about. And not the reality of why and the reality of teen depression.

Tell me how is a guard going to stop anyone from jumping/walking/standing in the path of an oncoming train. Really think about it. The train is coming the guard is on one side of the track and the individual is on the other, how is the guard going to remove an individual that at the last second jumps/walks/stands in the path of an oncoming train.

What person could you hire that would take on that job requirement. For $25.00 an hour or even $25,000.00 an hour I would not place my life in the balance for anyone determined to end their life.

This problem needs to be addressed at a place far removed from the train tracks.


Posted by Todd, a resident of the Community Center neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 8:52 pm

Waste of money. If someone jumps in front of a train, what is the guard going to do? People will find a way to kill themselves.


Posted by A Noun Ea Mus, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 12:54 am

Yes yes of course if someone is super committed to committing suicide then no amount of guards on the tracks will stop them. Why they could just stay at home and drive a knife into their chest!

And your points would all be relevant then if the drive to suicide could be, for instance, compared to the drive of a male dog who is in the presence of a female dog in heat. Put the female in heat on one side of the track, the male non-neutered dog on the other, the guard in between. Of course the male dog is going to circumvent the guard.

But that isn't the case with a young person drawn to a suicide magnet. Read up on this, look at what the experts say. Often all it takes is a SLIGHT distraction or detraction.


Posted by James, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2009 at 10:28 pm

I happen to agree with numerous posts that THIS IS A HUGE WASTE OF TAX PAYER'S FUNDS. The private security company is a visable and tangable temporary solution; again "temporary". The city council and city manager likely endorced the idea to take some liability off the city and police department. PAPD can not waste tax payer's money on an officer watching the train crossing; it is slightly less having a security company.

The media, Caltrain, PAUSD, the city and it's citizenry are not addressing the real issue. The students AND parents need to step up and take responsibility for these depresed children or young adults. They are screaming out messages that the responsible adults are not listening or understanding.

Teach the community the warning signs and take an active roll in the welfare and duty of a parent. Don't expect the school district, Caltrain, PAPD or any other entity to raise and protect YOUR children.

Take some time out of your career and selfish personal lives and invest time into your children. The dividends will be great and long lasting.


Posted by stretch, a resident of another community, on Nov 30, 2009 at 2:32 pm

While they're at it, why not hire ride-along guards for teens who text and drive? Or drink and drive..... or take ecstasy and do anything.....? Sheesh. Shut down the Golden Gate bridge, too. How can anyone blame the trains or the City for very bad - and probably rash - decisions made by young people who feel they have no other alternative?

It would be better for the school district to hire counselors to talk to teens, then the teens could set up peer counseling (like the City did some years ago) so teens could either talk to peers or have the option of talking to an adult who is not part of their private lives.


Posted by Linda, a resident of another community, on Dec 1, 2009 at 9:29 am

What is more important? The money to hire these guards or our children?

If you are unsure, just ask a parent who has lost a child to suicide.

Our children are the most important.


Posted by Ed, a resident of the Greater Miranda neighborhood, on Dec 3, 2009 at 1:12 pm

My kids have graduated from Gunn already.

Yet, I volunteered to participate in Track Watch. Why?

I saw an article that guarding one bridge do have the effect of minimizing suicide clusters, even though there are close-by bridges.

One can argue all you want, sue all you want; but immediate action is needed. Thus, Track Watch and hired guard is a good interim idea.

I want to shout out to parents of Gunn (and PALY) alumni to participate in Track Watch. Remember how busy you were when you kids were in school. We have more time to do this then current parents.

IT IS OUR TURN!


Posted by Caltrain Rider, a resident of the Palo Alto Hills neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2009 at 9:34 pm

The City of Palo Alto had to hire security guards to patrol the area due to the rash of suicides at the same grade crossing since the police department can't man a police officer 24/7 and because the transit police is understaffed, they only have 9 deputies and they are planning to cut two positions. You will be lucky to have one deputy on-duty at anyone time. No wonder they have all these suicides this year. Good job Caltrain.


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