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Palo Alto deaths topic of KQED Forum
Philippe Rey of Palo Alto's Adolescent Counseling Service will be one of three panelists featured on national program

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Philippe Rey, executive director of the Palo Alto-based Adolescent Counseling Service, will discuss factors contributing to adolescent depression and suicide as part of a panel Tuesday morning on KQED's Forum program, broadcast throughout Northern California.

The program will be aired at 9 a.m. on KQED, 88.5 FM (88.3 FM in the Sacramento area).

Rey, who holds a doctorate in psychology, will discuss his and ACS' efforts to partner with public and private agencies "to provide an integrated network of services for teens and families in the Palo Alto Community."

Other panelists will include Karen Marshall, project director of the Rail Suicide Prevention Project and program development director of the American Association of Suicidology, and Christine Dunn, a Caltrain spokesperson working on ways Caltrain can respond.

The program is hosted by Michael Krasny.

Since early May there have been four adolescent deaths involving commute trains in Palo Alto.

"We explore ways to identify an anxious or depressed adolescent, and discuss how parents and communities can respond," an announcement of the Forum program stated on the KQED website.


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Posted by Concerned parent, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 26, 2009 at 8:11 pm

Here we go again, talk, talk, talk, talk, and nothing is done to prevent more kids from taking their lives. After a while we stop talking going back to our normal lives and boom! another Gunn student cuts its life short, and we labeled him/her mentally ill for our convenience so we do not have to assume responsibility. How unfair this is four out kids who are being hit again and again.


Posted by also concerned, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 26, 2009 at 8:32 pm

And so Concerned parent, do you have the solution rather than another complaint that "someone needs to do something"?


Posted by Bury the TRACKS!, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 26, 2009 at 9:00 pm

Get rid of the tracks. Get rid of pedestrian and non-train access to the tracks. Bury them 50 feet deep, no matter how much it costs. Too many lives have been wasted. Please read the Mercury News article. The Gunn High school teens will not find another train site.


Posted by JordanParent, a member of the Jordan Middle School community, on Oct 27, 2009 at 12:25 am

We need to work with our kids to help them de-stress. I attended a fantastic conference organized by Challenge Success at Stanford Memorial Auditorium a month or so ago. The message is well expressed in this article titled "Redefining Success to Raise Healthier Happier Kids" - Web Link

We all need to start in our own homes, and then work in schools and in the community to help our teens be healthy and happy. The suggestions in the article provoke thought, and are helpful, in my opinion.


Posted by Anonymouse, a resident of another community, on Oct 27, 2009 at 8:57 am

> Bury them 50 feet deep, no matter how much it costs.

In other words, life is priceless. Nevertheless, the enormous cost of burying the tracks could save many, many more lives if spent more wisely than by digging cavernous holes in the ground. For the purpose of these kinds of cost-benefit decisions, a life is worth on the order of $10 million-- despite life being priceless.


Posted by Concerned parent, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 27, 2009 at 8:58 am

Here is what was published in the mercury news in case you have not read it.

Preventing suicides at Palo Alto train crossing

By Lisa M. Krieger

lkrieger@mercurynews.com

Posted: 10/24/2009 08:08:00 PM PDT

Updated: 10/25/2009 12:16:05 AM PDT

There's nothing notable about the train crossing at Palo Alto's Meadow Drive, a weedy and gravel-lined site in a town of beauty and comfort.

But four students from one school in the past six months have traveled there to end their lives, a pattern that stuns and mystifies this community. A fifth attempt was interrupted.

The "why" behind the deaths remains a riddle. But experts are urging a much harder look at the "how" of suicide — and what could break such a chain of self-destruction. Research into other suicide hot spots — the Empire State Building, England's Beachy Head, Sydney's Harbor Bridge, Japan's Mount Mihara and Toronto's Prince Edward Viaduct — shows that reducing or delaying access can deter death.

"If you can stop them from dying at your railroad tracks, there's a great likelihood they will not try it again," said Dr. Mel Blaustein of the Psychiatric Foundation of Northern California, whose study of Golden Gate Bridge suicides is published in the October issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry.

"Suicide 'hot spots' become the place to go; there's a specialness about them," he said. "If you stop it, it loses its mystery and magic."

Nothing as simple as a fence or net will fix Palo Alto's problem. Several Caltrain officers try to patrol the 52 miles of tracks and have intervened many times. Separating trains from the street — through overpasses or tunnels — takes years and costs millions

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of dollars. Around-the-clock police staffing pulls officers away from other important work. Anguished, the community is debating other solutions, such as volunteer patrols, better lighting, a pedestrian overpass or surveillance cameras — all good ideas, research indicates.

In a closed meeting Wednesday, Caltrain officials met with school and community groups. "We're trying to see how to address the issue," said Caltrain spokeswoman Tasha Bartholomew. "We don't know what the solution is now, but the first step is having a conversation about it that we haven't had before."

New research

Researchers are now conducting America's first study of railroad suicides, funded by the Federal Railroad Administration, entailing interviews with families of 356 victims to identify common patterns in how, when and why they chose that means of death.

"What we learn can be used to help design prevention programs," said Karen Marshall of the American Association of Suicidology, which is conducting the five-year project. "It will take a combination of things, depending on the situation. And there has to be a partnership between the railroad and the community. Once someone heads in that direction, your chance of intervention is measured in minutes, even seconds."

In Europe, where trains are far more prevalent, solutions include impenetrable barriers, thorny bushes along tracks, video cameras on trestles and earsplitting messages.

Even the most improbable site can become an icon to teenagers, who are suggestible and impulsive, according to Blaustein and other mental health experts. Such a place — particularly if it is accessible and highly lethal — can trigger or amplify suicidal feelings in vulnerable youngsters.

Cutting off or slowing down access can allow the impulse to pass, they said.

"Barriers work. Conventional wisdom says that people might go to other places to kill themselves. But conventional wisdom has been proven to be wrong," said Eve Meyer, executive director of San Francisco Suicide Prevention.

Studying the students, experts are puzzled. While several lived near the tracks, the crossing is 1.7 miles from Gunn High School; another crossing is closer. Several other local high schools sit right next to the tracks, yet have had no rash of suicides. And while Gunn is academically demanding, it's hardly alone. After the first death, the school has expended great effort to help other students.

Clustered deaths

The trend of clustered suicides was termed "The Werther Effect'' by researcher David Phillips to describe a series of deaths of German young men in the 1770s after publication of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's novel "The Sorrows of Young Werther," in which the hero shoots himself.

Some say Gunn seems touched by an insidious "meme" — an infectious idea or practice — that wrongly suggests to students that death by train is romantic, painless and acceptable because it was done by others.

Iconic spots gain an allure in troubled minds. One landmark study by University of California-Berkeley's Richard Seiden — published in 1983 — found that between 1937 and 1979, 58 people drove across the Bay Bridge on their way to jump from their cars and commit suicide at the Golden Gate Bridge.

Among reasons cited for jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, according to Blaustein's research, was this: "You're with all those people who jumped before."

"There seems to be a symbolic value to the site, within that school," said San Jose-based child and adolescent psychiatrist Dr. David Arredondo. "That needs to be looked at seriously."

Reducing access

Suicides slow or stop when easy access is denied. Sadly, the most impulsive tools, such as trains and guns, are the most deadly; methods that require planning, such as pills, are often survivable. At the Injury Control Research Center at Harvard's School of Public Health, new attention is focused on this single strategy, called "means restriction": Put more time between the person and their ability to act.

For example, when lethal coal gas was used to heat homes in England, one-third of suicides were due to asphyxiation by this gas. After nonlethal natural gas was substituted in the 1960s, the suicide rate in England fell by more than 25 percent.

Another study found that suicides in Sri Lanka dropped by half in a decade when several highly lethal pesticides were banned.

Similarly, storing a gun in a lockbox or keeping ammunition in a different room have been proven to reduce the odds that the weapon will be used in suicide.

The mere presence of others can also help. Since the 1600s, the cliffs at England's Beachy Head claimed an average of 20 people a year. But when a chaplain conducted day and evening patrols, the number fell to seven.

Concern about students led the high-pressure Cornell University, with a steep rocky gorge on campus that has attracted suicides, to buck privacy concerns and create an "alert team" of administrators, campus police and counselors to meet weekly to compare notes on students' emotional health. Even librarians and custodians are trained to intervene in potentially dangerous behaviors.

Suicidal people get fixated, say experts — and when access to an iconic spot is blocked, they may retreat rather than move elsewhere.

As Palo Alto wrestles with solutions, any delay can be lifesaving, Blaustein said. "Most people don't really want to die."


Posted by homepaloalto@gmail.com, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 27, 2009 at 4:19 pm

We are forming a group of volunteers to monitor the train track at East Meadow and Alma.

If you are interested in joining this effort to monitor the tracks at East Meadow and Alma, I have set up the following website:

Web Link

If you go to this website you will see a calendar which indicates shifts that will be staffed by volunteers. If you leave a message on Volunteer page of the website indicating when you are available to volunteer, I can add you to the calendar.

You may also write to me at hopepaloalto@gmail.com

If each of us can give a few hours a month or week perhaps we can make a difference. If there is enough interest we can take steps to get appropriate training and support.

If you would like to suggest an alternative method of doing this, or if you know of another group that is starting, please write.

Please pass this message along to others that may be interested.

Thank you,

A Palo Alto Parent


Posted by Confused parent, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2009 at 3:41 am

To hopepaloalto@gmail.com

I think there is another group of parents who just started to watch the hot spot. I a am one of them, I will be watching tomorrow. Here are tow of their postd. I already let them know abut you too. If we joined the job will be easier. I think we are two different groups. Am I right? Thanks.

Posted by Susan, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 26, 2009 at 11:58 pm

Friends,

We were at the W. Meadow RR crossing site tonight (Monday). The anxiety the location elicits, in us and the people who had stopping to talk, especially as each train passed by in the dark and the earth rattled, was palpable.

Assuming the statistical data from yesterday's Mercury News article (discussed above) that a presence at a "suicide site" is statistically likely to reduce suicides (link: Web Link), volunteers could take shifts each night at the W. Meadow crossing -- perhaps one shift from 7-9 p.m. and another from 9-11 p.m. until something more formalized is in place. Volunteers need only bring two chairs, have a cell phone handy to call 911 if necessary, and be present. Many of those passing by tonight said they would volunteer to do this.

Hopefully Adolescent Counseling Service or another non-profit organization will take the lead in organizing such a watch program. Until and unless an organization takes this over, will someone reading this comment take the lead in scheduling. (I will be unavailable for 3 weeks and this effort need not stop for lack of momentum.)This "thread" of comments could be a temporary forum to schedule.

Previously in this thread, someone suggested hiring a paid watch-person rather than use volunteers. Hiring a person to be at that RR crossing is possible. It would not be economically unfeasible -- costing perhaps $35,000/year 7 p.m.-midnight. This could be covered by only 750 people contributing $50 each. However, someone tonight mentioned to us that perhaps parents and adults in the community would prefer to volunteer in order to have some concrete role to play as now many feel helpless, not knowing what they can do to help. Perhaps the pros and cons of someone hired to watch vs. volunteers at the crossing could be explored by a non-profit.

Second, and as an aside, everyone who passed by tonight commented that the exact spot the suicides are happening is pitch dark. Lighting this area might have an impact. As the Mercury article would suggests, any barrier (lighted area, presence of someone) could be helpful. Is there someone who can take the lead in following through with this lighting concern?

Are there volunteers to be present at the W. Meadow area to take a shift during the rest of this week? Next week?

Is there a volunteer to temporarily take charge of scheduling until a non-profit organization (hopefully) takes this on as a project?

Please speak up.

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Posted by Anwyn, a resident of the Southgate neighborhood, 17 hours ago

Dear neighbors and friends - I'm willing to put on an orange vest and stand by the crossing for a few hours on a regular basis. As a community, surely other people can pitch in and do the same? Sign up at the following Google document and we'll take shifts until someone can come up with a better option (lights, cameras, security guard would be great, but until then let's step in a do something immediate). I'm a working mother of two small children so have no time--but am willing to at-least do this much. Can other pitch in and/or take over until we have others courses of action?

SIGN UP AS A TRACK VOLUNTEER HERE (copy and paste entire link, as is):

Web Link

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Posted by hopepaloalto@gmail.com, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2009 at 10:33 am

I would like to get everyone watching the tracks together into one group. Please write to me at hopepaloalto@gmail.com

If you are interested in joining this effort to monitor the tracks, I have set up the following website:

Web Link

If you go to this website you will see a calendar which indicates shifts that will be staffed by volunteers. If you leave a message on the website, I will add you to the calendar. You can also write to me to be added at hopepaloalto@gmail.com

We need to get everyone together in one group. We can fold the people who have signed up through me into another group or put that one into this one. I will be out there today at 9-10:30PM.

I do have the time to do the scheduling, but if someone else would like to take over that would be fine with me also. If we get enough people interested, I may be able to arrange for a mental health professional to provide some training.

Thanks,

Palo Alto Parent of Two


Posted by relentlesscactus, a resident of another community, on Nov 1, 2009 at 6:14 pm

This may encourage a contagionite to spite the gaurds by using the a train that runs after 11pm or changing to Charleston. Whatever happens, don't be a hero and try to drag a contagionite off the tracks and get run over yourself. A guards life, especially as most will probably be parents with kids of their own, is not worth losing even if it means stepping back and watching someone die in front of you.


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