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Uploaded: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 9:22 AM
Business-license tax debates continue
Opinions differ over whether tax has modest impact or unreasonably burdens businesses
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by Royston Sim
Palo Alto Online Staff
While supporters of Palo Alto's proposed business license-tax say it is a necessary and modest tax, opponents believe it would impose a major burden on the city's small-business owners.
This week, the debate over the contentious Measure A, slated for the November ballot, continued. Speaking at a League of Women Voters of Palo Alto "Pros and Cons" presentation Tuesday afternoon to about 25 people, City Councilman Greg Schmid said he was "optimistic" about the tax's passage, which requires a simple majority to pass. The tax would generate an estimated $3 million annually.
"The city is in the midst of a major long-term financial crisis, and we need to deal with that," Schmid said, referring to Palo Alto's $10 million budget deficit. "This is a moderate and modest tax to cover some 2 percent of our total budget."
However, Palo Alto Chamber of Commerce CEO Paula Sandas said the tax, which is based on the number of employees at a company, would benefit big corporations over small businesses. Large firms could simply pay a lump sum and thus end up paying a smaller amount per employee, she said.
"The real argument against the business-license tax at this moment is that the small businesses are the ones who, as a proportion of their own income and their own staffing, pay a larger portion of the tax," Sandas said.
A city staff report indicated small businesses would account for approximately 80 percent of taxes collected, according to Harold "Skip" Justman, creator of the group Small Business Against Taxes.
The tax would require professional or businesses services such as law firms and real-estate companies to pay $95 per employee, with a cap of $30,000. Retail, personal services and hotels would pay $34 per employee, up to $20,000. Landlords with four or more rental units would pay $25 per unit with a $30,000 ceiling.
According to city estimates, a median-sized company would pay between $190 and $239 depending on the business category. The tax allows businesses to count employees based on hours worked, on average number of employees working each month or on cumulative number of employees working throughout the year.
At Tuesday's Measure A presentation at the nonprofit Avenidas in downtown Palo Alto, Ginger Johnson and Irene Sampson from the League of Women Voters presented "pros and cons" of the tax. Attendees asked questions such as who would be affected by the tax and where the tax revenue would go.
Nonprofit organizations, the Palo Alto Medical Foundation, Stanford Medical Center, disabled veterans and minors under 18 are exempted, though the minors would have to file a written statement to gain exemption. In addition, federal law prohibits local governments from taxing banks and insurance companies.
All other businesses conducted in Palo Alto would be subject to the tax, including home-based businesses and self-employed occupations, such as an independent gardener.
Schmid argued that the tax, which would support the city's general fund, would have a modest impact on businesses. The tax would not take effect till Jan. 1, 2011, affording businesses time to recover from a lean economy, he said.
But Justman, an attorney and chair of the Chamber of Commerce's Government Action Committee, said the tax would allow city administrators to audit books of local businesses, which would be burdened by record keeping costs.
"It's very discouraging for small businesses to pay taxes even when they are losing money," Justman said. "Two hundred dollars might seem like a modest sum, but for a business losing money it may as well be $2,000."
Supporters of Measure A cite the need for increased revenue. Schmid said the city already plans to cut services and is negotiating with unions to reduce benefits for city employees.
Furthermore, businesses contribute less to property and sales taxes -- the city's two major sources of tax revenue, Schmid said. The share of property tax paid by businesses is decreasing every year as a consequence of Proposition 13, which lowered property taxes statewide, while professional services do not pay any sales tax, Schmid said.
As such, he said, it would be fair and appropriate to appeal to the business community to participate in reducing the budget deficit.
Justman said the tax would create an expensive bureaucracy -- city staff estimate it would cost $250,000 to implement the tax. The city budget is too big, and the tax would not fix the budget crisis, Justman said.
"It's like throwing a cup of water on a burning house," Justman said.
Palo Alto is one of only two cities in California without a business-license tax.
Schmid said the city's tax rates are comparable to cities such as Belmont, San Mateo, East Palo Alto and Menlo Park, though the latter two employ gross-receipts taxes. Palo Alto city staff had initially proposed a tax based on gross receipts but later changed it after pressure from small-business owners.
The League of Women Voters held a similar session on Measure A Wednesday evening. Next Tuesday, Mayor Peter Drekmeier, who supports the tax, will debate Justman at the Media Center in Palo Alto. That debate is open to the public, and attendees are asked to arrive by 4:15 p.m. at the Media Center TV studio, 900 San Antonio Road, near the intersection of San Antonio and Charleston roads.
The taping will begin at 4:30 p.m. and will be broadcast on community cable TV Channel 27 and online at Smartvoter.org and the Media Center's website.
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Posted by casey, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:19 am casey is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online How do businesses contribute less to sales taxes? If there were no businesses, there would be no sales tax. Period.
Seriously, if the City Council was truly interested in increasing sales taxes, it would focus its efforts on building the business base in Palo Alto, instead of forcing its residents to spend their money at Mountain View businesses. I'm more than willing to spend my money in Palo Alto, but until we allow a Costco to set up shop within our city borders, I'll be funding the City of Mountain View instead.
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Posted by barbara, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:34 am Please note that they are "working with the unions" to reduce costs. It doesn't seem that this has been very successful to date, so no guarantee there. And to add another group to manage this new tax is just adding more union members and overhead to the city's budget. We all know that if they say it will cost $250,000 now to administer it, that will mean a lot more money down the road and a new bureaucracy is born!
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Posted by Fan of the Furlough, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:42 am Wasn't there a report that said the city saved $3 million a year by having city workers take a fulough day? The budget cuts should come from eliminating some staff positions - our ratio of workers to residents is way out of line. Stop taxing the small business owners - do you want to drive everyone out of town?
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Posted by Elizabeth, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:44 am After watching our city government (from both the inside and out) manage their usage of our monies with incredible incompetency I certainly cannot support this initiative!
The small businesses in Palo Alto create the wonderful character of our town, and I don't want to see even one of them fail because our government continues to fail to manage the money they have to work with, spending recklessly, failing to prioritize in an intelligent adult manner and then pooring a fortune into investigating the blatant mismanagement of the funds and actions ad nauseum.
After viewing a video yesterday on a spoof of government (Australia's), it occurred to me that if we were to have all government officials switch places with all the comics of the world, this globe might well be better run!
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Posted by michael james, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:45 am EVERYONE should read the proposed ordinance!!
Chapter 4.61
4.61.140 Any person authorized by the administrator to do so shall have the authority to enter ANY place of business at any reasonable time and DEMAND exhibition of the license tax certificate
August 19 at 8:44am · Comment ·
READ CHAPTER 4.61 .140 They (or there authorized person) will be allowed to enter your home (business) !!!!!!!
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Posted by michael james, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:48 am OMG
the complexity of this ordinance is mind boggling! there are 3 proposed ways to determine how many employees your business would include. independent contractors may be considered an employee in some cases. as well as FAMILY MEMBERS should they devote hours to the operation. bottom line it may be necessary to keep track of hours worked for lots of people, as well as informing to the city on some independent contractors.
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Posted by MIChael james, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:50 am PLEASE JOIN US ON FACEBOOK
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Campaign Against Business Tax in Palo AltoMeasure A will significantly increase the high cost burden already paid by small business in Palo Alto who are currently struggling to survive in the current economy. • Of comparable and neighboring cities, Palo Alto already has the highest vacancy rate for downtown retail businesses at 14% (City of Los Altos, Comparative Vacancy Report on Downtown Retail Districts, July 2009).on Tuesday
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Posted by Buzz, a resident of the Leland Manor/Garland Drive neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 11:14 am The City of Palo Alto ought to spend more time controlling expenses, reducing staff (particularly those who flaunt rules and regulations to do what they will with our resources, like trees), and spend less time figuring out how to dip even further into our wallets while building a more expensive beaurocracy.
When you're in a hole, the first rule is to stop digging! When your budget is in the red, stop spending. It makes one wonder if the city council and city manager are living in some kind of alternative reality . . . one of them more focused on re-election than current performance.
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Posted by TT, a resident of the Evergreen Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 11:51 am My neighbor asks: if they've got money to waste cutting trees down on California Avenue, the City has money; they don't need this business tax.
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Posted by clueless, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:00 pm Great idea first commenter - we should have Costco & Home Depot on University Ave so you don't have to go to Mtn. View
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Posted by Sylvia, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:23 pm Every other city on the peninsula has a business tax. I don't think their small businesses are being driven out. This is just anti-tax nonsense being spouted here. I live in this city and have lived here for 25 years. I can't see any reason why businesses should not contribute something. After all, if their business catches on fire, the PAFD will come to put it out.
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Posted by Mary Carlstead, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:39 pm If at anytime I start taking in tutoring or music lessons or editing - or washin', ironin', and mendin', and anybody wants to come into my home to inspect my books and see if my permit is on the wall, they better darn well have a court-approved search warrant!! There is a clause in the U.S. Constitution about 'unreasonable search and seizure'. And they will also face a white-haired 'lil old lady's rage.
Vote down this outrageous Measure A. Enough of 'Nanny-state legislation"!!!
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Posted by Toady, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 4:39 pm @Sylvia
"I live in this city and have lived here for 25 years. I can't see any reason why businesses should not contribute something."
...because you aren't contributing that much in property taxes?
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Posted by WilliamR, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 7:37 pm If the business tax were dedicated to a specific project or program that was not currently being funded, we could debate it on the merits of whether or not the benefit was worth the imposition on the business community. But the tax is harder to defend if it is simply a general fund 'revenue enhancement'.
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Posted by bill, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm Thank you Buzz. There are two ways to meet a budget - the first is to tax, the second is to cut expenses. With our excessive staffing - compared to similar nearby citys - I think the best idea is to tackle expenses first.
$250,000 to administer the proposed tax? This means another 2 employees plus their lifetime medical and retirement benefits. What sort of a dream world do our leaders live in?
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Posted by SteveU, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 8:12 pm SteveU is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online Just think of how many more City jobs will be created to collect and Audit this tax. By the time you Net out the employee expenses, how much do we gain?
Some businesses require additional City Services to deal with "problems". How many additional (in excess of a typical home owner), does an Author, Web designer... need. Zip. Nada.
Are they going to collect the Tax from the Street Peddlers on my corner every weekend? How about the Paper Boy (man/lady)?
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Posted by John, a resident of the Meadow Park neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:35 pm NO MORE TAXES. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! Get some backbone people and stand up to this! Vote NO! Loud and clear. It's a spending problem!
AND I agree "they've got money to waste cutting trees down on California Avenue", why give them more to waste?
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Posted by Millie, a resident of the Embarcadero Oaks/Leland neighborhood, on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:37 am I can't think of any reason why realtors, lawyers and venture capitalists can't pay a license tax. Why should consumers get stuck for everything?
All the other cities have business license taxes. Why shouldn't we?
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Posted by Toady, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 9, 2009 at 2:22 pm "Why should consumers get stuck for everything?"
Millie, I suggest you do some brush-up reading on Microeconomics. In the end, consumers pay *all taxes* regardless of where they're first levied.
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Posted by i love toady, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on Oct 9, 2009 at 9:00 pm btw, just look at the citizens who were pushing this business tax; the same blowhards that meddle in everything. And guess what? Not one of them runs a real business of any consequence.
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Posted by i love toady, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on Oct 9, 2009 at 9:03 pm "All the other cities have business license taxes. Why shouldn't we?"
Palo Alto Logic 101: And lots of other Countries torture people? Why shouldn't we.
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Posted by A Noun Ea Mus, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Oct 10, 2009 at 5:29 pm All taxes, of whatever nature, in some way initially detract from overt economic growth. But without the valid goals of taxation realized----I shouldn't have to spell it out? I shouldn't but imagine we just taxed no one and nobody, let it all just stimulate economic growth..
No military so Mexico takes back California, Arizona, New Mexico (but elects to not get nauseated by swallowing Texas).
No Postal Service so people in remote rural areas have to pay exorbitant rates to UPS and Fed Ex.
No road building except via private contractors, so instead of taxes it's toll and pay as you go.
No sales tax, but because there is no police or fire they have to pass on the protection bribe they pay to local "contractors".
No more police so wealthy people just hire private security services while the poor languish (hey but isn't that kind of what is happening when one compares EPA PD to PA PD?).
Ahh but business is booming as all that money is unleashed!
But as regards economic stimulus via tax reduction. It seems to me you get more bang for the tax reduction "buck", if such buck is put in the pocket of a lower wage consumer. As opposed to someone who will invest it in a fund or company based on virtual slave labor factories in the Far East of Latin America.
I can't believe this. People are calling for the decimation of the wages and benefits city yet opposed to even any business license tax.
If there is a strike after or during when this doesn't pass...imagine the media spin on that about Palo Alto. "Palo Altans regard a city business tax as akin to torture, but have no problem going to Home Depot to hire their utility workers".
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Posted by cake, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on Oct 10, 2009 at 7:06 pm Interesting hypocritical post, A Noun Ea Mus. Claiming the city is hiding $22million in a shell game, which can be used to cover employee benefits. And also claiming the city needs to institute a business tax to fund employee costs.
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Posted by A Noun Ea Mus, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Oct 11, 2009 at 10:33 am Mr or Ms Cake,
While you may disagree with what I wrote above I fail to see any "hypocritical", or even inconsistent, aspect. ??
Several people on this forum have called for more than just the city workers agreeing to the (so far) intransigent management offer for a settlement. They seem to view SEIU as a criminal organization which needs to be thrown out, plus want to hire workers for as low a wage as can be---creating a new market force via union removal and then touting that. Those same people go into almost apoplexy when even a modest and customary thing like a business license tax is suggested.
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Posted by cake, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on Oct 11, 2009 at 2:58 pm You don't find anything hypocritical about claiming the city has funds hidden in a shell game and then turn around and say the city needs to introduce a business tax to raise funds? You're either hypocritical or just plain lying.
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Posted by David Lieberman, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Oct 11, 2009 at 7:51 pm Big Brother comes to Palo Alto.
Do you give music lessons in your home? Are you a tutor? Do you provide residential computer services? Are you a consultant? Gardener? Dog walker? Web designer?
Do you provide any service or sell anything out of your home or a local office?
If you answer yes to any of the above, this tax applies to you. You must post a statement of compliance (presumably on the door of your house). If you do not and anybody suspects that you are doing business out of your home, the compliance officer can request entry to your house, go through your financial statements, etc. The constitution of the United States be damned.
If you are, for instance, a computer repair person who goes around to other peoples houses, you must carry proof of payment of the tax on your person at all times.
Failure to comply is a misdemeanor subject to fines and repeated citations subject to imprisonment. This is not a joke. Read the bill. It is in the voter pamphlet.
Then vote!
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Posted by Unite Our Voices!, a resident of the University South neighborhood, on Oct 12, 2009 at 10:33 am Join the Opposition to Measure A on Facebook! ...and support another local business born and raised in PA! We need more business in town, not less. Support small business and unite our voices!
Join here: Web Link
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Posted by Peggy, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Oct 12, 2009 at 11:54 am As a small business owner (restaurant) in downtown Palo Alto I'd like to share a couple of things. The yearly tax to me would be $578/yr based on the number of employees I have today. It could be as high as $748 depending on how they qualify the "independent contractors, family members, etc." clause. (We pay $175/yr in Los Altos for the same number of employees.) We already pay $225/yr to the City of Palo Alto for a "Business Improvement Dist 2009-2010 Assessment", which pays to have the sidewalks cleaned among other things.
In our neighboring cities, the business license is a means to keep track of who's doing business in the city and to gather statistical data about how many restaurants, nail salons, clothing stores etc. the city has. (At one point the City of Los Altos saw that nail salons occupied an extremely high percentage of the retail space downtown and put a moratorium on new licenses to nail salons for a while until more diversity in business types was accomplished) The "tax" associated with it is to cover the costs involved in having the license, and not meant to generate revenue for the city. I have no problem with a business license structured in this manner and in fact thinks Palo Alto should have one.
HOWEVER, Measure A is not a typical/standard business license. It will cost businesses 3-6 times our neighboring cities, has a complicated structure and is legally open ended. It will hurt restaurants the most since they are highly labor intensive compared to their revenue. Restaurants and small businesses in general run on much smaller margins than I think people are aware, and the amount of money for this tax is significant to us.
Lastly, to those who say "why shouldn't businesses pay their fair share?" Believe me when I say that I do! I provide jobs for 15-20 people, generate sales tax for the city, already pay a $225/yr 'doing business in downtown Palo Alto' fee, am a member of the Chamber of Commerce - $375/yr, contribute to a vibrant downtown which draws shoppers with their wallets to our city, I give back to the community by supporting local teams, clubs and school activities and I've done all this by putting my own money at risk in opening a small business. We already have the highest downtown vacancy rate of 14%. If we don't start valuing our small businesses, we're going to lose even more of them.
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Posted by pat, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 12, 2009 at 1:41 pm One of the scare tactics being used to get votes for Measure A:
At the budget hearing last week Council agreed that the City is proposing to cut the $6 Million subsidy they give the School District annually for the playing fields and facilities at Cubberley.
If the City follows through with their threat to withdraw their $6 Million, and Measure A doesn't pass, the School District may be forced to sell Cubberley to a developer.
This threat was in the Measure A flyer that was sent around.
The Cubberley lease is long term. The City can't drop out without risking a law suit.
The UUT (Utility Users Tax) is paying for the Cubberley Center. The UUT is generating about 8M a year--so there is plenty of money to pay for Cubberley.
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Posted by Wayne Martin, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood, on Oct 12, 2009 at 2:07 pm > Why shouldn’t “business” contribute too?
Given how less-than-transparent so much of the city of Palo Alto’s finances are, this question needs to be answered in full. The businesses in Palo Alto are contributing greatly ... it’s just that their contributions are often not visible and so go unseen.
For instance:
1) Businesses pay most of the money collected by the Utility User’s Tax.
2) Businesses pay a lion’s share of the Storm Drain Fees.
3) Businesses pay for about 85% of the electricity in Palo Alto. Since the street lights are now funded from the electricity utility—businesses are paying about 85% of the cost of our street lights.
4) Businesses pay sales tax—which is a sizable component of the General Fund's revenue.
5) Businesses pay property taxes. While some of the older businesses are still “grandfathered in” under the initial assessments of Prop.13 and pay very little in property taxes—all of the new business development is paying property taxes at 2009 assessment levels.
6) Businesses pay premium prices for City of Palo Alto mandated services—such as Fire Department “Hazmat”/Safety and Planning Department inspections.
7) Businesses are charged fees for calls-for-service for faulty burglar alarms.
8) Businesses pay impact fees for “services” that they rarely make claim on.
9) The Downtown and California Street off-street parking structures are paid for by the businesses in those areas via an “assessment district:.
10) The Downtown Businesses are forced to pay for a “Business Improvement District” that has done nothing to improve “business” in the downtown area. Some of the money collected by this group has been used to clean the sidewalks--talking "pressure" off the City to provide this service necessary to keep downtown attractive and safe for shopper.
11) Hotels pay TOT (Transient Occupancy Tax), which is sizeable.
12) Some Businesses pay for downtown parking privileges.
13) Downtown restaurants are supposed to be paying “encroachment fees” in order to put tables on the sidewalk to serve patrons out-of-doors.
This is just a few of the fees I am aware of .. hopefully this list should counter the claim that the “businesses are not contributing”.
Vote NO on Measure A!
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Posted by John, a resident of the Meadow Park neighborhood, on Oct 12, 2009 at 6:09 pm Enough already! Vote NO!! Loud and clear. NO MORE TAXES!
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Posted by SteveU, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Oct 12, 2009 at 8:28 pm SteveU is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online Wayne Martin,
Just to set things in perspective.
Hotels COLLECT TOT that is an itemized line on a residents bill.
Sales Tax is "Reimbursed" for retail purchases by the customer.
Yes, Business do PAY sales tax on supplies used by the business .
Other taxes and fees are passed through to the customer as part of overhead markup.
I pay storm drain fees, but street runoff tends to run ONTO my property, not off. I pay that hoping that they will keep the drains open up the street, so I don't get more water than I do.
But I agree, there enough fees already. Mountain view already gets most of my business as Palo Alto has driven away or prevented the business I wan/can afford to use.
Goose.. Golden Egg... made into the Palo Alto Omelet.
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Posted by A Noun Ea Mus, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Oct 13, 2009 at 2:33 am To "Cake"
You said,
"You don't find anything hypocritical about claiming the city has funds hidden in a shell game and then turn around and say the city needs to introduce a business tax to raise funds? You're either hypocritical or just plain lying."
I would just like to address the "hypocritical" charge. Though I didn't, in the above post, say that the city has "22 million hidden in a shell game", for the sake of dealing with the hypocritical charge let's
1) allow that I did assert it either above or earlier
2) allow that in fact such a charge is true
again, both for the sake of argument and to address the hypocritical aspect.
I am really trying to understand the "hypocritical" angle or charge. Are you saying that--if one alleges or believes that the city has hidden away more than adequate money to fund the city workers negotiation position--that it is then hypocritical to then advocate for a business tax to come up with the money for such? Either one or the other, but not both?
In the above post I made....my point was to juxtapose the position of many here that a strike should be embraced, bought on, such that the result will be hiring the city workers at the absolute lowest wage and benefit scale that "the market" will allow. And that the very same people are aghast at any raised taxation.
Further, I also made the point that, should things go to a strike after the business license tax fails to pass, that the media spin will likely be to juxtapose the two. Something like "ahh rich Palo Alto, so ready to drive down their workers and cast them out, yet unwilling to do what every other local city does via a business license tax to raise funds". Proponents of A are justifying the passage ala "it'll give us ammo to justify pushing back the city workers benefits". I was just pointing out the inverse potential. Whether or not you think the spin would be justified or not, that is how it would no doubt play.
But since you bring up what I can only imagine are from former posts I've made....my take on how a reasonable settlement can be reached....
I believe that historically and now there exists some shell game whereby pre-negotiation money is more generously moth balled into other funds. and that..
...there IS also a shrinking revenue stream because of the recession, business closures, reduced property values, etc.
..that, while some adjustments and compromise will be needed on both parties from current/initial position, there is an element on the ground salivating to use the current economic situation for a major rollback of city worker rights, wages, benefits and representation by a union.
I find it hard to believe that a solution can not be achieved via a multiple approach..
city workers forgo COLA raises and have a initial hire in reduction which returns to normal after X amount of time (don't want to create a permanent two-tier system). Mix in some furlough days.
Reduce some services. Clearly there is some fluff which can be gotten rid of. This will further reduce labor costs to a degree.
Raise revenue by a customary and usual business license tax. Some here allege that this Palo Alto version is a Trojan Horse of financial abuse. For all I know this could be true. If so, then come up with an alternative way to raise revenue.
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Posted by Jenny, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 13, 2009 at 6:19 am At the City Council Meeting last week Council agreed that if Measure A fails the City is proposing to cut school support before City services.
This is a very significant statement because the City gives the PAUSD $6 Million a year and in return the City gets the Cubberley Community Center and use of the School District's playing fields.
In other words the quick fix for the City if Measure A fails would not be all the things the "No" on Measure A supporters would want like eliminating staff positions, cutting retirement benefits etc. Instead, the School District would loose the financial support they've come to depend on.
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Posted by cake, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Oct 13, 2009 at 2:30 pm A Noun Ea Mus, putting it simply...
City to SEIU :- "We can no longer afford to maintain benefits at their current level"
A Noun Ea Mus's response :- Wha? The City of Palo Alto is wealthy. They have more than enough money in reserves. Look, here's $22million!
City to Businesses :- "We need more money, we need to introduce a business tax"
A Noun Ea Mus's response :- Wha? The city needs to more money! of course we need to introduce a business tax.
Nah, nothing hypocritical here!!!
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Posted by Anon, a resident of another community, on Oct 13, 2009 at 4:05 pm Revenue simply must be raised. We can reduce head count, services, benefits all we want and it will not fix the problem. The amount of money that comes in is woefully low. And the state is promising to take more and more of what we do have. Palo Alto isn't bringing in the money. Blame the employees and council all you want, but it won't change the fact. Every company that is making the same amount or less than they did before folds eventually unless they can find a way to generate more revenue.
And this 22 million you guys have made up is just bizarre. Government agencies are required to submit everything to idependent auditors. Look through the books yourselves people. If you put a bit of effort into it each and every penny that circulates around any government organization is accounted for. Seriously, where do you think they got this hidden money from? And where do you think it is now? Under the city managers desk? In a fake hole in the floor? Oh, I know, it must be hidden behind a picture of our founding fathers that is really a hidden safe....yeah...that's the ticket.
Give me a break.
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Posted by Anon, a resident of another community, on Oct 13, 2009 at 4:08 pm Meant to add: Even if we had this 22 mil stashed somewhere, is it really the best option to pull it out and throw it around now? Just to keep the business owners quiet for another year?
Wouldn't it be more prudent to keep it stashed?
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Posted by A Noun Ea Mus, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Oct 13, 2009 at 5:39 pm Cake,
I think I baked your accusations above. At first I didn't even have a hint of what your might be talking about in coming up with the "hypocritical" charge.
You have to create a conversation and then type words into my keyboard.
I never meant in any previous posts to allege that any money "hidden" (it's in plain view just allocated differently) would be enough to stave off forever the budget deficit should the recession/depression continue unabated. I have explained it above already.
I had to chuckle at the silly poll. As if a poll is a substitute for legal negotiations with the city workers. It's as if a poll was to ask "Should the wife of the Palo Alto Dogcatcher have sex with him at least twice a week?". The poll is 80% yes and he takes it home to show his wife, insisting that she now tow the public opinion line, explains how the people polled pay his salary, his salary pays for their standard of living, etc.
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Posted by cake, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Oct 14, 2009 at 7:07 pm [Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
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