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Preventing teen suicides
Community gropes for answers, new approaches after latest tragedy

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The morning after a Gunn High School student died on the Caltrain tracks May 5, shell-shocked parent leaders and school officials huddled together and grieved.

"It was all about 'Why? Why? Why?'" PTA Council President Dan Dykwel recalled of the gathering of about about 20 people in the district headquarters.

"'Why did this happen? You look at these profiles (of recent teen suicides in Palo Alto) and you would not expect it from these kids. You just wouldn't. Who would have guessed? This is so unacceptable,'" he said.

The May 6 gathering originally had been scheduled as a regular monthly meeting between the PTA's Executive Council and Superintendent Kevin Skelly, typically a 15-minute exchange on district affairs.

But that day it lasted an hour and there was just one topic. Skelly didn't do much talking, but "took a lot of notes and listened, listened, listened," Dykwel said.

"We had some very passionate individuals in the room," he recalled. "The question was, 'How do we move beyond the conversation (about preventing teen suicides) to something that's strategic, institutionalized, funded and comprehensive so that we really make a meaningful impact on this and not just have intentions?'"

When it comes to the emotional health of its youth, Palo Alto is a wellspring of best intentions.

Starting with kindergarten, teachers, principals and parent volunteers on every campus focus heavily on "character education," working to promote respect, inclusion and prevention of bullying.

Drawing on nationally recognized Stanford University experts and others, PTAs at each school organize seemingly endless calendars of "parent-education evenings" about student stress and emotional health.

"Living Skills," a class required for graduation at both Gunn and Palo Alto high schools, covers "knowledge that will help (students) make informed and responsible decisions about issues that affect personal health and well-being." The curriculum depends in some measure on the choices of the instructor, but generally covers topics such as CPR, sex education and emotional health including depression, though without a sustained focus on suicide prevention.

With school-counseling budgets squeezed, the community for years has welcomed the on-campus presence at every secondary school of Adolescent Counseling Service, a nonprofit organization whose motto is "Helping teenagers find their way."

And yet every few years Palo Alto is confounded when another seemingly promising young student, friend and teammate steps in front of a train or goes off to college and dies of suicide.

And parents, who might have known the youth as a teen much like their own, get a queasy feeling that it just as easily could have been anybody's child.


Former Palo Alto mayor and longtime youth coach Vic Ojakian and his wife, Mary, say this sad cycle not only is unacceptable but is, in many cases, preventable.

And they know more than most people about the subject.

The Ojakians were devastated nearly five years ago when 21-year-old Adam, the third of their four children and a well-liked honor student at Jordan Middle School and Paly, died of suicide a week before Christmas in an apartment he shared with three roommates near the University of California, Davis.

"We were like most parents not trained in mental health, certainly not in anything about suicide, such as what to look for," said Ojakian, a high-tech manager whose wife is a registered nurse.

"Of course you had to know our son, but it was a complete shock."

Investigating Adam's death amid their anguish, Ojakian said he and Mary were doubly shocked to learn that their son had been the fifth suicide at UC Davis that year.

The couple ultimately concluded that Adam had suffered from major depression of which they had been unaware.

"We looked at what the (mental health) program was at the school and, frankly, he didn't stand a chance," Ojakian said. "He was probably affected by major depression and he wouldn't have understood what was happening to him. And frankly, because of the social stigma, most people won't go seek help to figure out what's happening.

"If you have a broken arm you get it fixed, but if you have (depression) you have great difficulty going to get treatment."

Since Adam died, the Ojakians have devoted much of their time to lobbying for stronger mental-health programs in California's public colleges and universities.

In that quest they've become convinced that many student suicides can be prevented if the right mental-health services are in place.

"Every time (a suicide) happens we deal with the shock," Mary Ojakian said. "This is necessary, but that is all we do. We do not take action to prevent this from happening again.

"Suicide can be prevented bottom line. It is preventable but that requires community effort. We need to start the programs that prevent this tragedy.

"Every time we tell students, 'You've got to start listening and not be kept to this code of silence.' But we get new students every year. We all need to learn, as a community, how to prevent these tragedies.

"We all need to learn CPR for the brain. It exists, and it can be taught. We can institutionalize this. So every year when new students come, they learn that there are things they can do to help their peers," Mary Ojakian said.

Assuming that the literature on suicide is correct, "one of the things that jumps out at you is that it suggests upwards of 90 percent of people who die of suicide have a mental illness," Vic Ojakian said. "If you assume that's correct, the next thing you find out is that many of the serious mental illnesses occur in the late teens and early 20s.

"If you assume that's correct, you also learn that most people with a mental illness go undiagnosed and untreated up to 70 percent never get treated."

Accepting those statistics, the Ojakians have aimed their efforts at strengthening mental-health services on college campuses. They point to a list of specific programs in the "best practices registry" of the Suicide Prevention Resource Center as having documented evidence of saving lives. The list includes titles such as CARE (care, assess, respond, empower) and the Columbia University TeenScreen Program.

"A high school or (the Palo Alto school district) could and should take a similar approach to these systems," Vic Ojakian said. "Approaching suicide prevention is not determined by size but program content."

Carol Zepecki, the school district's director of student services, said there is ongoing discussion among school counselors about best practices. This month's Caltrain incident has sparked a re-evaluation, including a scheduled meeting of district officials with the Ojakians.

To date, neither the district nor Adolescent Counseling Service has institutionalized a specific suicide-prevention program, although students are continually made aware that counseling is available.


At Stanford University's Vaden Student Health Center, psychologist Alejandro M. Martinez and his colleagues have trained more than 500 students, faculty and staff members using a one-hour suicide-prevention training session from the QPR Institute, which also is available on the Web.

"It's something we've undertaken more systematically this year," Martinez said.. "It's really about helping individuals not just be bystanders when they see someone in distress but become more proactive in helping in those situations."

QPR, which stands for "question, persuade and refer," is intended not for experts or mental health professionals, but for any individual who wants to help someone in distress."

According to the QPR website, "just as people trained in CPR and the Heimlich Maneuver help save thousands of lives each year, people trained in QPR learn how to recognize the warning signs of a suicide crisis and how to question, persuade and refer someone for help."

Martinez and his colleagues have an ambitious goal to get QPR training to more than half the Stanford community.

"Every university across the country has had to face the tragedy of suicide and Stanford is no exception," he said, adding that Stanford's suicide rate does not stand out from that of other universities. However, he noted, when a student dies, the university does not necessarily learn whether it was from suicide or some other cause.

Between 20 percent and 23 percent of deaths ruled suicides in Santa Clara County in the past two years were individuals under 30 years old, according to the Santa Clara County Medical Examiner's Office. In both 2007 and 2008, the county had 31 suicides of people under 30. The coroner did not provide city-by-city breakdowns.

Philippe Rey, a psychotherapist and executive director of Adolescent Counseling Service, said Palo Alto's teen suicide rate is in line with national statistics.

At "Spring Sounds," the nonprofit's festive annual fundraiser held last Saturday, Rey devoted his remarks to adolescent depression, explaining how Adolescent Counseling Services is responding to the recent tragedy.

The group is launching a community-awareness campaign about teen depression and reminding students that free, on-campus counselors are available to listen. Two town forums entitled "Breaking the Stigma: Adolescent Depression" have been scheduled: the first on June 4 from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. at Cubberley Theatre, 4000 Middlefield Road, Palo Alto; the second on June 18 from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. in the Menlo Park City Council Chambers, 701 Laurel St., Menlo Park.

One in five people has suffered from teen depression, which is directly related to substance abuse and suicide, according to Margaret Murchan, the nonprofit's on-campus counseling program director. "This is a very important issue that cannot be ignored."

Besides on-campus counseling, the group has offered and continues to offer off-campus counseling, teen substance-abuse treatment and community education, including information sessions on depression and suicide.


It is hard to be a teenager anywhere, but may be particularly hard in a high-achieving place such as Palo Alto, Rey believes.

Pressure to succeed is such that teens and parents often feel a need to hide their challenges, he said.

"On the outside we all have that smile, we're all healthy, beautiful, drive a Mercedes, have a big house, yet we suffer in silence and alone in our homes because admitting that there's something wrong is a sign that we have failed.

"We think that going out and saying, 'I have a depressed child' is a reflection of the failure of the parents, when it is not. But I think we're all afraid of that so, sadly, we stay in denial," Rey said.

In speaking to the press after the May 5 death on the train tracks, Rey noticed he was saying the same things he said in the fall of 2003, the last time the community was stunned by a teen Caltrain suicide, that time near Paly.

"My message hasn't changed, but here we are again," he said. "The questions were the same; the answers are the same.

"Palo Alto is a wonderful community, so don't get me wrong. But the pressure to succeed here -- to be perfect, bigger, richer, healthier -- is really taking a toll on the children."


Comments

Posted by In the know, a member of the Gunn High School community, on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 am

I could not agree with Philippe Rey more. The pressure in Palo Alto for a teen to be or feel successful is over the top. Very little sleep, too much power given to the grade, competition at a scary level. What about teaching balance and moderation?


Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 22, 2009 at 8:26 am

MP highlights suicide risk over expenses

LONDON (Reuters) - Embarrassing disclosures about the vast expenses claims of MPs amount to a "McCarthy-style witch-hunt" that risks driving politicians to suicide

"The atmosphere in Westminster is unbearable," Conservative MP Dorries wrote on the blog (blog.dorries.org ).

"People are constantly checking to see if others are OK. Everyone fears a suicide.

If someone isn't seen, offices are called and checked."

Asked about her comments on BBC radio on Friday, she sought to back away from the suicide suggestion,

but said the disclosures, including that politicians charged for duck ponds, horse manure, bath plugs and pornographic films, were forcing MPs to breaking point.Web Link

What happened to the Stiff Upper Lip?


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 22, 2009 at 3:37 pm

I kind of see a vicious cycle in Palo Alto myself.

People who care about their kids doing well academically move here for the schools.

Same parents, who are sacrificing to live here, then put a lot of pressure on their kids to perform well academically.

Other kids then feel pressured by the expectations on their peers to keep up.

The whole environment gets more competitive. There's then pressure on the schools to come up with ways for some kids to stand out--i.e. tons of honor classes, five math lanes.

The high schools are then ranked nationally, which affects home values. The district then feels pressure from voters to maintain a highly competitive and thus highly ranked school.

And more expectations and greater pressure's put on the students.

It's a losing game because not every kid can be in the top 10 percent of his or her class.

I'd love to see an end to the rankings of colleges and high schools by the news magazines. The metrics used are dicey at best. I also think the endless AP class thing ought to be brought under control.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm

Suicide is a result of severe depression

Severe depression is a medical illness

There are now evidence based medical treatments for severe depression

All the psychobabble and sociobabble is a dangerous distraction from the need for severely depressed teens to be evaluated and treated by qualified MDs.

If the teen is a real danger to themselves then they need to be treated in a hospital.


Posted by xo, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on May 22, 2009 at 4:36 pm

[Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]


Posted by Glad to Be Alive, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on May 22, 2009 at 11:22 pm

Depression is not necessarily a mental illness. A person can be driven to depression from too much stress or conflict in the household, loneliness, verbal abuse by parents.

I am in no way saying that parents of suicide victims are necessarily the cause. Please do not think that. I just want to clarify that while sometimes depression is a mental illness, everyone can be driven to suicide if they live in a less than desireable environment and they cannot run away and live on the streets. For instance, if a child is told that they are worthless and never does anything "right", and consistently disappoints parents, you think that kid is going to be happy? That person can become withdrawn due to low self-esteem and become depressed and with no friends and no family support, what's there to live for?

This is what happened to me in high school. My mom begging me not to kill myself stopped me.

I am now a parent of happy children - so happy that we receive compliments on them and had an article written about us by a reporter who was impressed with how our family interacted so well when he saw us eating dinner together.

Parenting is simple: you get back what you give. My children respect me and care for me because I cared for them. Children always want to please their parents, even if they say otherwise. Don't try to bend your children like Bonsai plants. Accept them as they are and guide them properly. Spend time with them and praise them when they do something right.

There is a book called Children Learn What They Live, which I read occasionally to remind me that I am a model for my children. All parents should read this $10 book: Web Link

Here's the poem, written in 1954 by Dorothy Law Nolte:

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.

If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.

If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.

If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.

If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.

If children live with jealousy, they learn to envy.

If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.

If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.

If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.

If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.

If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.

If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.

If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.

If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.

If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.

If children live with fairness, they learn justice.

If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn to respect.

If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.

If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 1:55 am

Glad,

I'm glad your mom was there for you.

Sharon,

Saying severe depression is simply a medical illness strikes me as kind of besides the point. There is a situational aspect to depression--some people are more prone to depression than others for a variety of reasons, but there are environmental triggers.

I know of a child whose school situation was such that the child was diagnosed with a clinical depression. The cure wasn't drugs, it was switching schools.

And, yes, the transfer worked.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 2:23 am

Anorectics are 60 times more likely to commit suicide than matched women who are not Anorectic.

There are now medical treatments for Anorexia that work, in the past psychobabble and sociobabble lead to treatments that not only did not work but, in fact, added to the lethality.

Same with other serious mental diseases like schizophrenia and stupid psychobabble like the "double bind theory" invented in Palo Alto at the MRI by a group of anthropologists and MFCCs.

This pseudo-scientific theory did massive harm to patients and their families for decades until it was shown to be based upon fraudulent research.

We cannot afford to risk our childrens lives in the hands of theses unqualified so called " therapists"

Major depression is a medical illness and can be treated by qualified physicians


Posted by anonymous, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 11:01 am

Even if you agree with Sharon, I still say the competitive school environment here has side effects, some of which are less than desirable (rise in cheating scandals, excessive peer competitiveness and constant focus on test grades, SAT scores, taking excessive APs, instead of learning for learning's sake and enjoying learning, and more)-


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 11:46 am

Looking back on my own days of being a typical teenager (if there is such a thing) I can remember days when I felt very down, but I have no idea if it was what is now called depression. This was usually followed some time later with feelings of high elation. The down days were brought on by school, grades, relationships with friends, relationships with the other sex, money or lack of, parents and homelife, and many other things. Likewise, the highs were brought on by the same things. In my day, say an argument with parents could cause my immature body and hormones a feeling of being worthless. I could not say I was ever suicidal, but I did think about suicide and how to go about it. On the other hand, a smile from the right crush did wonders for me. I think that I was pretty similar to most of my peers.

Consequently, I think that there is a hard job for us as parents to realise when we have to take a case of the blues or the poor me's as something to be concerned about or something to be really worried about.

Some of these feelings are part of growing up.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Sharon,

That anorexics are more prone to suicide doesn't address whether our educational environment is an environmental factor in depression.

There's a correlation between poor test scores and suicide every Spring in South Korea. In fact, there's a large body of literature on environmental/social factors in suicide--starting with Emile Durkheim.

In the case of anorexics, there are environmental factors that are linked to both anorexia *and* to suicide.

Resident,

I think there's a basic amount of hormonal insanity with being a teenager, but the stress on kids here is quite different than what I recall. When I was in school, you really didn't have to be perfect. I think Berkeley required a 3.7 GPA. Good grades, but not perfect grades.


Posted by Glad to Be Alive, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Sharon's statements about depression being a mental illness are misleading because as I mentioned above, students can become depressed due to environmental factors. By saying it is a mental illness, many parents will dismiss the blues because they know their children are not mentally ill. Calling depression a mental illness is a simplistic viewpoint.

As Ohlone stated, the student transferred to a different school and was fine.

In no way would drugs have helped me. Friends and better parents would have helped me.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Their is a world of difference between being sad, having a bad day and being suicidal.

Just as their is a big difference between feeling a bit overweight,going on a diet/exercise program and being having Anorexia Nervosa.

Anorexia is the most lethal of all mental illnesses with a suicide rate 50 to 60 times greater than expected of matched controls, 60 times greater.

Severely depressed teens, like Anorectics need evaluation and treatment by qualified MDs often in a hospital.

Sociobabble and psychobabble theories of depression and Anorexia have done far more harm than good.

Enough is enough,

Our childrens lives are at risk in these mental illnesses.

They require evidence based medical treatments.


Posted by parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 4:21 pm

though I don't agree with Sharon on everything, it is more responsible to let your doctor decide whether your sadness is or is not an illness. Rather than self diagnosis and attributing depression to an environmental hazard that goes away when the environment is changed.

if kids could see that depression can escalate and get worse like an infection, if not treated, than they could be part of their own healing. They would be empowered to get help EARLY on. Mental well being is no different than cardiovascular health, and if there would be an indication of depression, I would first seek medical help, not counseling alone.

otherwise, it's also blaming the kids, like one can blame an addict for no self control.

Any doctors in any of these why? why? why? meetings?

what do pediatricians think?


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Parent,

In the situation I mentioned, it wasn't self-diagnosis. A child psychologist made the diagnosis and the treatment recommendation--i.e. transfer.

The child was in elementary school. Depression in young kids doesn't look like depression in adults--so I don't think most parents would even know what to look for.

I'm all for professional help. I just think that the professionals can have Ph.D.s as well as MDs.


Posted by Glad to Be Alive, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 4:54 pm

Parent, "What do pediatricians think?"

Pediatricians are trained mostly in general physical health problems, not mental health. Better to know what a child psychologist thinks for evaluation of depression.

Sharon,

You are talking about extreme cases. There are plenty of people who can commit suicide and not have "depressed - ready for suicide" stamped on their foreheads. Anorexics clearly need help, but those who are sad for long periods can have parents who think their child is simply not thrilled with life so they don't address it as any problem when in fact, the child could have thoughts of suicide.


Posted by David Taylor, a resident of the Ventura neighborhood, on May 23, 2009 at 11:10 pm

Hold on - we seem to be linking teen suicides in Palo Alto to teen stress in Palo. The final sentence (statement by Philippe Rey, a psychotherapist) in the above article - remember, it's titled "Preventing teen suicides" - easily leads to that linkage:

"Palo Alto is a wonderful community, so don't get me wrong. But the pressure to succeed here -- to be perfect, bigger, richer, healthier -- is really taking a toll on the children."

But, earlier the article states:

"Philippe Rey, a psychotherapist and executive director of Adolescent Counseling Service, said Palo Alto's teen suicide rate is in line with national statistics."

So what's the justification for viewing Palo Alto as unique? If Palo Alto teen stress is the cause for teen suicides, then either:

1. Palo Alto teen stress is in line with national teen stress - or

2. Teens elsewhere in the US are committing suicide at the same rate, due to other causes.

If #1 is true, then it is obviously incorrect (but also counter-productive) to focus on Palo Alto's unique teen stress.

If instead #2 is true, then why are we focusing on stress when the statistics suggest that the rate could stay the same even if the stress were removed?

Suicide seems to have become a national health threat to teens. Immunity to health threats is reduced under high stress. But does that mean high stress *causes* the health threats? While it clearly makes sense to help teens learn to manage the stress of modern living in order to increase their ability to survive all health threats, and teaching teens and parents suicide-prevention "CPR" sounds like a clear win, I don't see the value of focusing on some perceived "uniqueness" of Palo Alto. In fact, it could be distracting us from meaningful change.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 6:34 am

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

If you want professional information on teen suicide go to this site from Stanfords Packard Hospital Web Link.

Teen Anorexia and severe depression are serious, lethal problems that need professional care by qualified physicians and often a period of inpatient care.


Posted by parent, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 10:13 am

Sharon,

I don't know Philippe Rey, but your personal attack on him (above) seems unjust. It's clear that everyone in this community is trying to figure out how to help at-risk teens, and ACS is on the front lines of this attempt. I agree with you that depression is a serious problem that requires professional care, but "qualified physicians" work together with psychologists to address these problems.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 2:51 pm

parent,

Sharon's got a bee in her bonnet about MSWs and psychologists. She doesn't seem to understand that medical treatment for mental illness is done in conjunction with psychotherapy. Some sort of agenda here probably not worth worrying about.

I think though it is worth pointing out that while, yes, anorexics have a high incidence of suicide that overall the part of the general population with the highest rate of suicide are elderly white men. Teen-age boys have a higher rate of suicide, but a lower rate of attempts than teen-age girls.

I mention this because its misleading to focus on anorexia--found mostly in women--when there's a greater suicide risk with men than women.

The most worrisome trend to me is the increased rate of suicide among young teens.

David,

Not sure what Rey's comments were about, but when I look at the suicide statistics it seemed to me that Palo Alto's teen suicide rate was higher than average--but that was just a cursory glance. I agree that it comes off as a bit muddled.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 6:14 pm

An adult is free to consult a homeopath for the treatment of her breast cancer, or an aroma therapist for treatment of his broken arm.

The situation for kids is very different, they deserve the best evidence based treatments and evaluation by qualified physicians for serious potentially lethal conditions like Anorexia Nervosa and Depression.

Anything less is child endangerment.

The physician can develop and implement a comprehensive treatment plan and supervise paraprofessional such as MFCCs as part of that plan if he or she sees fit.

Medical decision quality is in the hands of a qualified physician.

Depression and Anorexia, the 2 illnesses most associated with suicide, are very serious and need to be handled seriously.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 7:31 pm

Sharon,

In-patient and out-patient treatment of anorexia *always* includes psychotherapy.

I worry somewhat about your recommendations here because as others have pointed out, pediatricians treat physical, not mental, ailments. A physical manifestation of depression in a child may be dismissed by pediatrician after he or she decides that there's no physical illness involved.

Psychologists aren't "paraprofessionals". That would imply that they are not licensed to practice (they are) and that there's no professional code of ethics. There is.


Posted by Just watching, a resident of the Evergreen Park neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 10:24 pm

OP, look up the definition of MFCC.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 24, 2009 at 11:27 pm

Just Watching,

Psychologists are not MFCCs. Sharon tends to think of all therapists as social workers with masters. They're not.


Posted by been there, done that, a member of the Gunn High School community, on May 24, 2009 at 11:47 pm

Sharon,

Have you ever had a child with anorexia or depression? Your comments imply that all you have to do is take him or her to a physician to be cured. That is so simplistic. I have dealt with both of those issues with my children and medical doctors can be so insensitive in how they deal with patients suffering from depression or eating disorders that they turn them off to seeking further treatment.

I've had a pediatrician call out to the nurse in the hallway, "What's her weight?" referring to my anorexic daughter, and have the nurse yell back, with the waiting room full of people, "95 pounds!" My daughter ran out of the office crying and never went back.

The best care we've gotten wasn't based on one person's degree or credentials. It was a multi-faceted approach using a medical doctor, psychiatrist, therapist, nutritionist, and, yes, laugh if you will, but also a massage therapist, physical therapist, acupuncturist, equine therapist, yoga instructor and support groups for addictive disorders, such as AA. And the ones who had to coordinate all this care were me and my daughter, not the medical professional.

The physicians kept her physically alive, that is all. Recovery from a serious, life-threatening mental illness is so much more than that.


Posted by David Taylor, a resident of the Ventura neighborhood, on May 25, 2009 at 1:09 am

OhlonePar -

Where can I find Palo Alto teen suicide rate? I would like to get more insight into the problem, but so far my search has failed.

thanks


Posted by Moira, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 25, 2009 at 10:15 am

There are two issues here: the teen-age suicide rate and the stress of being a teen-ager in Palo Alto. I don't have the data to know if Palo Alto teen suicide rate is on par with national averages, let's say it is. People who commit suicide are severely depressed and despondent, a small fraction of the populace. In other words, of course be on the look-out for signs that your teen is suicidal, but suicide is an unlikely scenario. What is more likely and common is depression and anxiety caused by going to high school in Palo Alto. I think the unrealistic pressure to expect teens to be at the top of their class, take AP courses and get into a top-tier university results in many teens being anxious and have low self-esteem if "peformance" not stellar. I have heard from mental health professionals that they see many teens who suffer from the academic stress here. Yes the family can do its best to not contribute to this stress, but at a school like Gunn which my son attends, the academic stress is pervasive. So far, my son is doing fine, but I know it will get more intense the next three years.


Posted by anonymous, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 25, 2009 at 11:26 am

A strange similarity in reports the last several years about teens/young adults who, sadly, committed suicide: invariably they are referred to by family members as having been "honor" students. I find it odd this needs to be included in the basic commentary, it's IRRELEVANT in the basic description of a lost young human being.


Posted by another parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on May 26, 2009 at 7:58 am

The school pressure is the elephant in the living room in this situation. It starts from courses moving through material too fast and teachers sinumtaneously requiring involved projects and rapid turn around on daily work. Some parents may not know what is being required of their children, especially since the schools do not encourage involvement as a means of eliminating feedback. All parents know is that they want their children to bring home A's - they are seriously misinformed and too "busy" to ask what their children are being asked to do. Volume and pacing of work is blamed on the state standards and the UC's and community pressure. Kids are caught in between school pride, parents and teachers unrealistic expectations, our local real estate market, and the egos of our administrators who want to make PAUSD the stand-out district in the country.


Posted by yet another parent, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 26, 2009 at 10:38 am

I agree with "Moira" and "another parent" above. I graduated from high school in Palo Alto years ago and got a great education with AP classes, but the school didn't feel like a pressure-cooker. The high school students I talk to now do experience a higher level of stress, mostly from the expectation that they have to over-achieve in every area. We need to let these kids know that it's okay to focus on their talents and do their best. They should not have to be perfect in every area. The message they get from school and from other students is that they are losers if they don't have a 4.0+ GPA and outstanding extracurriculars in every area. It's no wonder they are suffering from increasing levels of depression.


Posted by A Palo Alto parent, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm

I was just reading about Paly on their website. Their core purpose is listed as following:

 Promoting personal integrity & respect

 Providing a nurturing environment characterized by teamwork and

collaboration

 Caring for and believing in every individual

 Encouraging creativity and independent thinking

 Understanding growth and learning are an essential part of life

 Acknowledging great effort and great fun in work and play

I would grade: fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. I'm speaking as the parent of a Paly student who has tried her best for years at that school, and gets nothing but negativity, pressure and criticism from most of her teachers. There are a few good and great teachers and administrators in the Palo Alto schools, but the majority of angry, frightened, frustrated educators here have made her life pretty miserable and unsafe. It's only her friendships with other kids that makes her want to keep trying, and we're both counting the days until she can go to college.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 26, 2009 at 1:29 pm

David,

I actually did the math in reverse. The average teen suicide rate nationally is one in 5,000. Ours seems higher in the number of suicides you hear about--and we don't hear about all of them.

Given the overall number of teenagers in our high schools, you can see suicide should be a very rare event.

Like I said, cursory glance on my part--but I recall an earlier suicide by an 18-year-old Paly (grad, I think) student within, I believe, the last year.


Posted by been there, done that, a member of the Gunn High School community, on May 26, 2009 at 1:31 pm

Thank you, thank you, A Palo Alto parent. You could start a whole new thread on the huge disparity in the quality of teachers in our district, and the extent to which our kids are hurt by the lack of willingness by administrators to address the problem of mediocre and poor teachers. Nothing will ever change until there's an all-out revolt by parents.


Posted by Student, a member of the Gunn High School community, on May 26, 2009 at 5:22 pm

I find it rather pathetic that it has taken the death of one of our classmates for this issue to come up in our society...


Posted by Kid, a member of the Gunn High School community, on May 26, 2009 at 8:01 pm

I agree

This is 3 so far

How many more will come?


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 26, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Kid,

Three over what period of time and which schools? One or both? I ask because we're trying to get a sense of what the rate is here.

And I hope no more will come.

Just for a very general comparison. I went to a high school back in the dark ages about the size of Paly. There were no suicides while I was there nor my older or younger siblings--so none over an 11-year-period. One suicide at my college while I was there.

So this is quite different.


Posted by another parent, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on May 27, 2009 at 5:12 am

OhlonePar,

To answer your question: There were 3 high school suicides on the train tracks. Before JP, in 2003, a Paly boy stepped onto the tracks. Not long before that, another Paly boy did the same.


Posted by Maggie, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 28, 2009 at 7:51 pm

I don't think we can just blame the education system every time a teen commits suicide. I am a Paly student taking a heavy load of honors classes, and yes, it is stressful, yes, sometimes I wish it would all just go away. But not once have I ever considered suicide as an option. Never. Maybe I'm just resilient, but I feel that there are definitely other factors at play when teens commit suicide than just school. It could be depression, an eating disorder, or some other psychological condition. School may have caused the depression, but it's still depression and needs the treatment that depression requires. Every one of my acquaintances who's ever threatened suicide has either depression or an eating disorder. They didn't do it because they failed a test - they did it because they're crying out for help in their deep emotional and psychological battle.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 28, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Maggie,

The vast majority of kids do not kill themselves. Doesn't mean that things that don't overwhelm you aren't triggers for the kids who do make suicide attempts.

Frankly, high school shouldn't abet the onset of clinical depression. That's a pointlessly destructive situation.

another parent,

Thank you--so three kids in six years--and that's public and known.

The combined graduating classes of Gunn and Paly are around 850--so 850 times six years--5100. So out of the last six years, we'd expect to see one suicide if we were following the national average of one in 5,000. We're above that.

And anybody who actually knows how to do statistics can come up with a better methodology here, please go for it.


Posted by Andy, a member of the Gunn High School community, on May 28, 2009 at 8:57 pm

I've been thinking about suicide and I have realized that only irrational people actually do it. They cant think clearly and their view of life is kind of skewed.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on May 29, 2009 at 12:42 am

Andy,

Depression can be pretty insidious. Some brilliant people have killed themselves and rationalized the act to themselves.


Posted by mitchell neighbour, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood, on Oct 21, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Us the parents all have been through the teenage years, should understand what it's like to be the teenagers. The high school I went to was much more academically competitive than Palo Alto school district, but the pressure for majority of the kids were from the non-academic related stuff, e.g., got along with others, being "popular", etc.

I have three kids, one in the college, the other two are at Gunn now. all of them did/are doing well in school. We had conversation all the time, on various subjects, include the recent suicides incidents. They told me the same thing, the academic competitiveness is not the problem, it's the pressure to 'fit' into different groups, to be 'popular' in school, causes all the stress for most of the teenagers.

Speaking of academic competitiveness, schools in Fremont, West San Jose, and Cupertino, all are just as competitive, but I'm not aware of any 'academic pressure' related suicide in those schools.

I'm not denying the academic pressure the kids are facing, but to use this to explain the suicide attempts just doesn't make much sense.


Posted by God has an answer, a resident of another community, on Nov 1, 2009 at 12:25 pm

My heart goes out to the parents and family members of the deceased teens. I am always saddened to hear about lives that are taken through premature death. I know that your community is grieving and many are searching for answers. I do not wish in any way to appear insensitive, intrusive, or offensive but many rational or psychological methods of attempting to come up with answers are at best grasping at straws and hoping for something that will make sense in the natural. I believe this is a spiritually rooted cause, however. Perhaps I can bring something to light that may not have been given serious consideration as of yet.

Generational curses and curses from the source of witchcraft are very real. Just because someone chooses not to believe in them does not make them any less real. I may not be able to readily identify who,how or why the door got opened, but I can assure you that a door most definitely got opened to the enemy - somewhere. Sometimes people get involved in things that they shouldn't, and sometimes others retaliate to hurt and offense by seeking out witches and other things involving the occult. There is a way to shut the door to this sort of thing. Perhaps another family can be spared the grief of losing a loved one. There is an article that explains more about generational curses and how they work, as well as a very powerful prayer that breaks the power of the enemy's curse. For anyone that is interested, please check it out at Web Link and simply go to the page marked "Breakthrough Prayer." My prayers are with your community.


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