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Egg-throwing youths get scrubbing lesson

Police round up 15 to 20 teens after egg war breaks out at Greer Park

Several Palo Alto teens got a lesson in the difficulty of removing eggs from vehicles and surfaces on Thursday night (Oct. 27), after police apprehended 15 to 20 egg-wielding youths.

Two police units rounded up the teens after officers received reports of possible vandalism at 8:37 p.m. at Greer Park. The teens were reportedly pelting vehicles with eggs, Agent Rich Bullerjahn said.

The teens were not arrested, since no one was injured and no damage was done. But they were made to clean the area and the vehicles of the eggs and their parents were notified, Bullerjahn said.

Egg wars during Spirit Week have become an unauthorized tradition among Palo Alto High School students. In the past it has taken place in a Stanford eucalyptus grove. In 2009 the students moved to Gunn High School after Stanford police scared them away.

Paly Principal Phil Winston said he is "interested in working with students on getting rid of such a destructive, unnecessary activity next year.

"I am disappointed that such a juvenile activity took place," Winston said Friday.

"The event is in no way connected or sponsored by Paly. Everyone needs to send a consistent message to our young folks, parents included, that this is not an acceptable use of time."

In 2009, 11 students were suspended and seven more were punished for participating in an Oct. 27 "egg war" on the Gunn campus that resulted in $3,200 in clean-up costs. A controversy erupted regarding the suspensions, which some parents thought were heavy-handed.

Jacquie McEvoy, who was principal of Paly at that time, later said she would expunge the suspensions from students' records.

Sue Dremann

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Posted by And-These-People-Claim-To-Be-Adults
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 31, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Did the police release the names of these kids? If not, why not?


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Posted by car owner
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 31, 2011 at 12:33 pm

Did the owners of the egged cars approve of this slap on the wrist?


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Posted by Foodwastersucks
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Oct 31, 2011 at 12:59 pm

Need to educate these kids. There are people starving, even in this country, not to mention those dying of food shortage in Africa and Asia. Wasting eggs, a potential food source, though they may be in abundance here in this area, is still shameful behavior.


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Posted by paly alum
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 31, 2011 at 1:04 pm

If people just stay out of the way and let this happen at the stanford forest like it used to always be, none of this would happen. It only became a problem when that new principal attempted to stop it, but it back fired because she didn't realize adolescent-aged people won't actually give up on a tradition; rather, they would find a new location (referring to Gunn incident). This tradition won't stop anytime soon. A good analogy is the debate over doing everything to prevent under-21 people from drinking, or taking the safer approach of supervising them in a safe setting since its going to happen anyway. Once this tradition gets back to the uninhabited stanford forest, it'll be fine and no one will notice.


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Posted by robit noops
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Oct 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm

Egg war sounds like a stupid tradition. Paly kids seem very "entitled". I was elated when the paly family moved out of our neighborhood because the kids and friends were constantly leaving trash in the street and breaking bottles like they didn't care.


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Posted by Tyler Hanley
digital editor of Palo Alto Online
on Oct 31, 2011 at 4:20 pm

Tyler Hanley is a registered user.

The following comments were moved from a duplicate thread:

Posted by Former Paly mom, a resident of the Leland Manor/Garland Drive neighborhood, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:01 a.m.:

"Yay! Let's hear it for logical consequences! I'm very glad to hear that adults responded appropriately this time."

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Posted by Monitor, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.:

"Thank you PAPD, "but get to work Parents, take responsibility, and make them clean it up." My comments from a previous blog. Where were the parents, that they had to leave this kind of discipline to the PAPD?"


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Posted by Jaco P
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 31, 2011 at 5:23 pm

@And-These-People-Claim-To-Be-Adults

Ummm because they're minors and it's illegal to release names of minors for non violent offenses.


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Posted by wondering..
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 31, 2011 at 5:37 pm

How would police/school treat students from East Palo Alto, or students not applying to top colleges, acting exactly the same way?


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Posted by Current Paly parent
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 31, 2011 at 5:46 pm

I know several Paly students (other than my child) and they are all very polite, considerate, nice, hard working kids. I have had enough of people painting them all with the same broad brush and calling them spoiled, irresponsible, "rich" kids and what have you. Most of them are far from that.

Making egg throwers clean eggs off of cars or athletic tracks? sure, fine of course.

Otherwise, when they don't damage anything, just throwing their eggs on some lawn or field (eggs will actually fertilize the ground probably), just give them a break. It's an old tradition. Were you never children yourselves that you are so sour? How often do the kids here get to do something spontaneous, not scripted by parents, just for fun? Just give them a break. (And no, my Paly student did not participate in this.)


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Posted by And-These-People-Claim-Tp-Be-Adults
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 31, 2011 at 6:03 pm

> Ummm because they're minors and it's illegal to release
> names of minors for non violent offenses.

That's a real shame. Maybe it's time to change that law, because it allows very stupid behavior on the part of "children" that are old enough to drive cars, and kill people. They are old enough to buy guns and kill people, and they are old enough to buy illegal drugs and harm themselves.

It's time to stop protecting stupidity.

However, it's not clear that the police had the courage to arrest them, given the behavior of some of the parents at last years "egging" at Gunn.

It's a stupid tradition, and needs to be replaced with something that is more productive. The "community" has contributed (or soon will) between $150,000 and $200,000 for each of the PAUSD graduate's educations. And for this, the taxpayers are subjected to having their cars egged, and possibly damaged, and then told that the perpetrators are "minors" .. and therefore not subject to having their names released? Well, what about releasing the names of the parents?


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Posted by HawkeyePierce
a resident of Stanford
on Oct 31, 2011 at 6:06 pm

The Paly parent is in denial. These kids, throwing at vehicles, caused more problems then if they threw at the ground or each other. People are making comments about the kids being rich, spoiled kids because, face it, many of them are.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 31, 2011 at 6:16 pm

I have asked the question on another thread, but we don't have an answer.

Were these cars their own cars (the vehicles they drove and transported their eggs in) or were they random vehicles? In other words, if they were egging each others cars it is much different to whether they were egging cars randomly. The majority of these students with their eggs must have come by car and if theirs were the cars then I am not sure if this can be called true vandalism.

And I am not defending the students, it was a small group obviously but at least I can see a difference of whether or not this was a case of high sprited students going a little too far with their enthusiasm of pelting eggs at fellow students, to negligent disregard of innocent private property.


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Posted by David
a resident of another community
on Oct 31, 2011 at 6:57 pm

At least none of them were stupid enough to bring frozen eggs again. That's criminal.


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Posted by Koa
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 31, 2011 at 9:30 pm

@Paly Alum-
The victims of this vandalism had nothing to do with the decision to enforce the laws on Stanford campus. My car was egged overnight on a weeknight a few weeks ago. To avoid any further permanent damage I was forced to pay for an unplanned early morning car wash that made me late for work and disrupted my entire morning. While minor in the scheme of this, this undeserved hardship nonetheless disrupted my wallet and my schedule and shouldn't be dismissed by parents and alum who believe that this behavior is the inevitable result of honest adults enforcing laws and policies society has charged them with upholding. Let them exercise their their God-given right to an egg war in your backyard or with your car as a backdrop, if you don't believe rotten eggs all over your property is a big deal.

-Gunn alum


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 31, 2011 at 10:18 pm

I wonder how they determined there was no damage done to the cars given that it was past 8:30 PM and dark out. Just the impact of a hard egg thrown can leave impact scratches in the paint of a car, it has happended to mine. If there was any property damage they should have taken them in.


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 31, 2011 at 10:27 pm

I knew various Paly kids and none of THOSE kids participated in this so-called "tradition."
Just to say - they aren't ALL that stupid.
Prominent lawyer parents of student eggers got rid of a strong principal, Dr. Jacqueline MacEvoy (exact spelling forgotten at this point) several yrs ago, who wished to stop this idiocy and penalize those Paly kids who messed up Gunn.
At a minimum people who make a mess should clean it up - otherwise you ARE acting "entitled," but it is arguable that it goes beyond that into behavior needing a penalty. For sure, it is stupid.
But be clear - it is by no means all Paly kids that act this way.


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Posted by Sarah
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 1, 2011 at 12:23 am

I agree, release the names of the parents!

These students should be charged with vandalism. The school should not be involved unless it occurs on school grounds. Total Paly enrollment is 1,916, so this is a minority of immature students who are participating.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 1, 2011 at 6:40 am

There were frozen eggs this year.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2011 at 8:32 am

Suspend them so it shows up on their High School Record.


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Posted by Crescent Park Dad
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 1, 2011 at 10:27 am

I believe one article mentioned that there were less than 30 kids involved. Hardly a significant percentage to label the entire school as over-privileged, spoiled, etc.

You can't suspend kids for doing something on their own time and off campus.

The mess at Gunn happened 2 years ago, not last year. I don't think there were any egg wars reported last year.

Nevertheless, it is a dumb thing to do. Why not water balloons?


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Posted by Mimi Wolf
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 1, 2011 at 10:43 am

Ask the hens, is this an appropriate use for their suffering and hard work?


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Posted by marie
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 1, 2011 at 10:43 am

They should have been thrown in the slammer for a couple days. then I bet next time they will think twice about throwing eggs at things and people.


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Posted by Hardly Qualifies
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 1, 2011 at 10:55 am

I have a hard time seeing the case for calling this a "school tradition" when it's a relatively tiny handful of students... a clique?...that engages in the behavior. 15 - 20 students out of 1,916 students hardly qualifies as a "school" tradition.

As for defending this clique's behavior as young and fun - no big deal? Hard to do when property is damaged and/or people are hurt. When that line is crossed, plain and simple - logical consequences.

So (using Sarah's numbers), at least 1,896 Paly students were engaged in something other than egg-throwing last Thursday night. Maybe that's the broad brush with which we should be painting young people? Certainly provides a very different picture and a more accurate portrayal of Paly and its students.


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Posted by Concerned Retiree
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 1, 2011 at 10:59 am

We now have 7 billion people on the planet. There is very little point in feeding the starving children in Africa or elsewhere until they get a handle on their unsustainable population growth. A few eggs thrown here and there in Palo Alto will not feed the starving elsewhere.

And the punishment should fit the crime. Throw the eggs, clean up the eggs. That's enough punishment. We all need to let loose occasionally.


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Posted by Dirk
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 1, 2011 at 11:08 am

For all of you who think this is not a big deal, why don't you post your address as the next "egg war" location? Let them egg your mercedes, lexus or bmw and then tell me its ok because they're young and they need a break. I don't think it's fair to label all the kids as "entitled, rich brats" since there were only 30 or so "juveniles" who were out egging cars and city/public property at 9 o'clock on a school night. I wonder who bought the eggs for them? Maybe the parents who weren't watching them!


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 1, 2011 at 11:27 am

To PA Online and Superintendent Skelley: I quote: "I am disappointed that such a juvenile activity took place," Winston said Friday.

This from a high school principal who oversees the education and behavior of juveniles every day? In what world does he live? In what kind of behavior does he expect juveniles to engage? Sounds like it all worked out well. The kids learned an object lesson in cleaning up after their messes. Too bad their principal didn't. Superintendent S., you might want to have a long talk w/ Mr Winston, who apparently 1) takes himself too seriously 2) doesn't understand that kids get it (ok, most kids) when they have to clean up their own mischief 3) doesn't applaud the responsibility of juveniles cleaning up after juvenile actions. I would assume that Mr Winston was kid once-upon-a-time, and engaged in "juvenile" activities once upon a time. I applaud PA's response, if not Mr Winston's.

-Mary Coady


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 1, 2011 at 11:29 am

I wonder why clear and determined vandals are being treated like some kid on a TV sitcom? Next time we read of a stabbing in EPA can the cops just let the stabber off with a warning if he stitches up the victim?

What a rotten bunch of psychotic kids. It is not that they are too stupid to understand, they obviously, but the time of high-school know not to do stuff like this ... and then the post or two that seem to state the vandalism is in reaction to not being able to have an egg war is even worse.

Why do police not get this? Or do they really get it, and the rich kids the serve and protect just have too much pull and arrogance to ever be treated like the thugs they are? And besides who would fill the ranks of our CEOs if there are not enough psychopaths in our upper echelons.

Personally, I think every one of their names should be published, they should clean up the mess, and do community service. We get what we ask for, and with the lack of discipline and standards anymore it is clear why we have some of the problems we do.


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Posted by Observer
a resident of South of Midtown
on Nov 1, 2011 at 11:30 am

Sorry to say I do detect a sense of entitlement and callousness among the defenders of this tradition. Yes it is a tradition as it has been passed down from class to class at Paly, although it seems this years group was relatively small. While I can certainly see the fun in participating, I'm still waiting for one of these parents to step up with an offer of private property to serve as a location for this 'harmless' activity. As a Gunn parent, I'll never forget the sense of outrage and betrayal among Gunn students when they found their campus strewn with eggs. It took much conversation to prevent a retaliatory attack on Paly. Fortunately, the Gunn students showed maturity and restraint.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 1, 2011 at 11:32 am

> 2) doesn't understand that kids get it (ok, most kids) when they have to clean up their own mischief

I think what kids learn today is that there is no penalty or a low penalty, so take the chance and look daring, look rebellious, and if you do get caught, you fought the "good" fight and just have to clean up, but the chances are you will not get caught and there is not always someone looking.


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Posted by Steve C
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 1, 2011 at 11:53 am

Why isn't this model used for taggers? Restore to original condition or do extended public service, real public service, on their own dime. No sense locking them up as it is like a class reunion for most gangbangers. If no compliance, send the families the bill.


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Posted by CC
a resident of another community
on Nov 1, 2011 at 12:43 pm

I like this... Good old fashion punishment the way my mom would have done if I had thrown eggs at someones property. But I didn't because I learned to behave responsibly at an early age.
I hope these kids learned their lesson as they should be.
I don't need to know who these kids are like some who need to know the name of every one who gets into trouble. All I need to know is the problem is solved in a respectable way to the kids involved.
And for those who keep thinking negative.... yes this will happen again as long as we have a few adults who are not teaching kids to act responsibly.


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Posted by Paly Alum Parent
a resident of Community Center
on Nov 1, 2011 at 12:57 pm

Why doesn't the school/parents sponsor on the Thursday of spirit week a paint ball game or a laser tag game where studnets actually know what grade really won or not. Then similar to the big game, they hand the viking or axe to the class who won. simple

Also I really don't think kids care if their names were published.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2011 at 1:21 pm

I don't think many of you understand the minds of teens.

My own Paly student did not take part and barely knew about the event, certainly was not interested and also did not approve.

From what I understand, these teens are doing something that they believe is not destructive (at least until property gets involved) and are doing it without their parents' knowledge or the school's knowledge. We can't lay blame at the school and possibly these kids are too self sufficient to be able to do this without their parents' knowledge, approval and aid.

They have a week of team spirit exercises which are all sponsored by the school. They do not need an organized parental or school sponsored lazerquest, they could do it themselves if they wanted they have the organizational skills and probably the money since they were able to afford to buy eggs. Likewise they probably have the ability to get to lazerquest if they wanted.

No, they are doing this precisely because they can do it themselves without any adult organization. They are doing it because they are young, invincible and still unable to understand the full consequences of their behavior. Even cleaning up the mess will appear to be a badge of honor to them.

If they used water balloons, there would still be some who criticize if they found one piece of trash left behind.

What is the answer? I am not sure. But certainly adults trying to get them to do something else is not going to work.


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Posted by Sarah
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm

@Mary Coady: You don't live in Palo Alto. Students and parents love Phil Winston. He has greatly improved the school and sincerely cares about students. He is approachable, competent, open-minded, and yes, FUN. Perhaps M-A students behave irresponsibly but most Paly students have better judgement than to engage in vandalism. So his statement reflects his experience with Paly students. Plus, per your statement regarding students being responsible by cleaning up the eggs, they were ordered to clean it up - they did not volunteer. Mary, if you would volunteer your backyard for an egg war, just post your address here.

I'm guessing Mr. Winston would not have a problem with the activity if it were changed to water balloons and the students picked up all the broken balloons afterward. The impact on the rest of the community is the issue here.


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Posted by Glenn C.
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm

This seems to be a tradition at Paly and does need to be changed, in a positive way. The principal might be a bit out of touch when he remarks that he was "disappointed that such a juvenile activity took place." I don't believe that comment was helpful to defusing the situation. I do think the police acted appropriately and the HS students have learned a lesson (a lot of work to remove egg stains from a car finish!).

Back in the day, when going to Burlingame High, the juniors took on the seniors during lunch hour by hosing each other with the heavy, high volume hoses of adjoining Washington Park. We were all late back to 5th period classes, but the punishment was cleaning up school building perimeters for a week or two. I didn't do anything like it again and 95% of us went on to college/university and meaningful careers. Today in many districts, that might have a different outcome.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 1, 2011 at 3:49 pm

@Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
I am a teenager, and I thank you for explaining to me how my mind works. Let me say that I agree with your last two statements of your most recent post, but there is no single reason why kids would do this, here are SOME that I as a teenager can contribute:
Simply because it's fun
It's social
It's something tangible/forbidden that can be looked on with "pride"
I find it curious that you should call the kettle black, insinuating that you have exclusive knowledge on the topic of... well, me


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2011 at 4:16 pm

Student

Ha. I am not the pot calling the kettle black. I am just someone who was a teenager once, a long time ago, but I have a good memory. I think perhaps many adults forget what they were like as teenagers.

Never said it wasn't fun, of course it is fun or else you wouldn't do it. But I know that when I was a teenager it was a lot more fun when I could do things with my friends that adults didn't arrange or supervise for me, particularly if I thought (maybe I was wrong) the adults didn't know about it. It didn't mean I wanted to do things they disapproved of, more I just wanted to spend time with my friends that they knew nothing about. It felt more "grown up" to make our own fun sometimes rather than just do what had been planned for us.

Let me know if things have changed.


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Posted by Hardly qualifies
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 1, 2011 at 5:32 pm

Call it what you will - 1 per cent of the student body participating hardly qualifies as a school tradition. Apparently self-proclaimed.

This story is about 20 teens in PA throwing eggs (not on a campus) - having fun - went too far - caught by police - made to clean up.

It's interesting how strongly we connect school affiliation with our children's identity and their behavior (good or otherwise). It doesn't make sense to me in this case. And I imagine it bugs a lot of Paly students that 20 students a year claim their personal decision-making as a school tradition.


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Posted by Davey-o
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Nov 1, 2011 at 6:27 pm

Bravo PA PD, for not turning this into a big mess.

I think you might make one change though: keep their names on a list for a year (say) and call them to clean up any egging that occurs. They will ACTIVELY dissuade other from egging.


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Posted by another student
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 1, 2011 at 7:52 pm

I would just like to speak up for all of the many Paly students who did not participate, and would never consider doing so. Honestly, I do not think that egg wars is a particularly mature thing to do (to say the least), despite its potential for fun. On the other hand, previous commenters who said that Paly students seemed 'entitled' and made us all sound like snobs are quite wrong. As previously pointed out, only a minority of students participated so to use this minority to make generalizations about the whole community is wrong and hurtful.


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Posted by pa_mom
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 1, 2011 at 9:12 pm

How is it that these kids can get into the best colleges in the country
but they cannot manage to go egging without getting caught?


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Posted by Satisfied Parent
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:18 am

This is a tradition that can be tolerated, but not celebrated. I delight with the more reasonable position of school staff and police. This year, most parents were smart to the event, and we were able to caution our high school student. Social media works for parents too, and the word was out. Happily sports interceded as did college apps, so there was not enough time for the mischief with our student. Still Palo Alto can tolerate once a year a little egg on its walls, a superior outcome to the egg-in-our-face we adults generated in past year's aftermath.


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Posted by Step away from the eggnog
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 2, 2011 at 9:22 am

Satisfied parent... telling "Palo Alto" what it can tolerate is as presumptuous as a gang of 20 teens egging cars claiming their behavior as a "school tradition".

Keep the party private and nobody cares. Arrogant to expect Palo Alto to tolerate property damage or "the 99%" at Paly to provide cover for 20 students' behavior.






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Posted by PJ
a resident of Green Acres
on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:19 am

You shouldn't dismiss this type of activity so flippantly. City staff spent a considerable amount of time cleaning the mess from the play ground at Greer Park, and from the fields.

There is a hidden cost to the rest of us. If City staff is cleaning up the egg mess, then they aren't doing the other regular maintenance of the park.


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Posted by Scholar
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 2, 2011 at 11:38 am

I live in Menlo Park and my car in my driveway got an egg too. Not as big a problem as my PC getting a virus though.


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Posted by 2009 Paly Graduate
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm

PALY STUDENTS WHO DID NOT PARTICIPATE: you should be disappointed in yourself. you let down your classmates and your school. Egg wars IS affiliated with Palo Alto High, it stands as one of the most cherished traditions next to the streakers at the end of the year. TO THE PARENTS: if you honestly believe that these actions are worse than the actions you commited at a similar age, then continue to be concerned with your children. But the actuality is that the minor outcry against authority that is eggwars is nothing more than the ONE event every year which you get to blow out of proportion and post your entitled opinions on comment streams similar to this one (just like me). PAPD: Go solve a real crime.

Deal with it. Get over it. Your kids will still get into a top ranked school, still earn a 4.0 and still hide the fact that they smoke pot every day from you because they respect you. My faith in Paly tells me this great tradition will continue to happen, hopefully in greater numbers.


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Posted by Paly Alum
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm

Shutup people, Eggwars is a tradition, let kids throw eggs at each other late at night who is it hurting? Obviously throwing eggs at cars is a bad idea, but in an open grassy area is it really bad for kids (who are all voluntarily present) to be throwing eggs at each other?


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Posted by paly senior
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:10 pm

did anyone saying this is a stupid tradition have ANY FRIENDS AT ALL in high school? probs not.


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Posted by Just Another Body
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:10 pm

I do not live on that street anymore but my parents still do. 

Last year I came back from a basketball game, exhausted, ready to hit the bed when I noticed the crumbled egg shells in the street. I inspected a little closer, and this time my car. There were yellow stains with bits of egg shells trickling down the side panels of my car. There were more on the hood, on the trunk, almost everywhere. I washed and scrubbed my car until 1 am. 

Next morning, I found more stains and I scrubbed again. Then, I took it to car wash just to ensure I got it all. Afterwards, I went to work. 

If this never happened to you, it is hard for you to understand how inconvenient this is or how damaging it could be. 

This year, my mother spotted the kids in the park. And, let me set the record straight. It was not 15, 20 kids. It was more than 100 kids! Once they heard the siren, they took off!

I do not live too far from my parents. My mother called me frantically and said they were at it again. She and my brother spent the rest of the evening washing and scrubbing the cars. There were four kids that the cops detained that helped. Even then, the cars still needed detailed cleaning. 

As a victim of this hideous act, I feel the slap-on-the-wrist is the easy way out. No one feels responsible. It has only left the residents of that street to clean up the mess. You tell me, is it fair?


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Posted by Future Paly parent
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm

Throwing eggs is vandalism if the target of the egg doesn't below to you. Our car finish was ruined after being the target of an egg. If my kids are ever remotely involved in that so called *tradition*, I will personally haul them out to clean it up and pay out of their own pockets for any damages they can't fix.... even if it has to come out of their college fund. Just because kids in the past got away with it, doesn't mean it was ever ok.


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Posted by clom
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm

I can't imagine what would happen to palo alto if something groundbreaking actually happened. If you can afford to live in this neighborhood you can afford a car wash, come on now.


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Posted by Hardly qualifies
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm

09 Paly grad ...
Google items:
"false consensus"
"Emperor has no clothes"
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
20/1986 = x%


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Posted by Dirk
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm

I'm curious, if this hadn't been associated with Paly or Gunn, would you all still defend the actions of these juveniles? Or is it because maybe your child knows or is one of these kids that participated and that's why you write this off as juvenile behavior that is tolerable. I've had my car egged and like the people wrote earlier, it's a pain in the you know what to get that stuff off.
I guarantee if this happened anywhere other than Palo Alto, those kids would've had to do a lot more than clean a few cars.


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Posted by Sarah
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 2, 2011 at 2:31 pm

Agree with Dirk. If they were kids from a neighboring town, there would be an uproar but since it's PAUSD students, the reaction is different.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 2, 2011 at 3:05 pm

When there is some certain point of damage or someone who want to press charges the penalty should be fixed and unwavering.

1) restore the damage fully 100%.
2) If that is impossible pay appropriate compensation.
5) Take reasonable extenuating circumstances into account - fairly.
4) Always identify the convicted.
5) remember.

Maybe it should be the community's call whether to get the DA to press real charges. Post a note, hold a vote online with relevant information including the estimated cost and the chances of recovering that cost and let us decide.

In this case, I would have to vote for prosecution - since with the the pathetic punishment it is clear that this egg thing is going to go on and on because the city is gutless and refused to take a real stand.

Our society and country is falling apart for the same reason, neverending exceptions to the law made instead of fixing the law and getting rid of the criminal incompetents - this just makes peolpe want to break the law so they can escape prosecution, look tough, and seem elite, the elite criminal class - everyone's doing it.


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Posted by jacksjohnson
a resident of Green Acres
on Nov 2, 2011 at 3:07 pm

to be fair, the egg's were from caged free chickens and free from hormones


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Posted by What do you expect!
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 2, 2011 at 8:02 pm

I agree!! These are "rich and spoiled" kids! They think they own the world! Last year, the same thing happened. My understanding is that when the group of students got suspended, the parents hired an expensive, high-power lawyer. Guess what- the principal resigned and the tradition continued... How nice to be rich and not have to follow the rules!! Occupy "Paly"!


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Posted by Sarah
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 2, 2011 at 9:21 pm

I take offense to people generalizing and calling students (whom they do not even know) "rich and spoiled." Not all these kids are rich, for one. Sure, "rich and spoiled" exist in Palo Alto, but there are plenty of very rich people in Palo Alto who are not spoiled.


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Posted by eggsactly
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 3, 2011 at 10:15 am

Throwing eggs on Halloween could be a felony (previous article from PA Weekly)

The Palo Alto Police Department has issued a reminder to residents that throwing eggs at cars and buildings can result in a felony criminal charge if the eggs damage the car's paint finish or defaces a sign or building causing more than $400 in damage.

Sgt. Sandra Brown said that egg vandalism happens throughout the year but the reminder is being issued now as Halloween approaches. The department recorded 78 vandalism reports since January 2005 involving thrown eggs causing damage to vehicles and buildings.

"Although this practical joke can seem minor, it can create damage costs well into the thousands," Brown said. "Throwing eggs at pedestrians during Halloween festivities can cause serious injuries."

Brown added that parents can be held civilly liable for reimbursements due to vandalism caused by their children.

— Don Kazak


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Posted by tradition doesnt make it right
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:19 am

in 2009 not only did the students vandalise property and leave a gigantic mess for someone else to clean up, they also chose to do it at gunn campus, which suffered many tragedies that year. palo alto still feels that pain and the students were completely insensitive to it. shows something lacking in their conscience if you ask me.

only in palo alto would parents hire a lawyer to defend something as stupid as egg wars. only in palo alto would parents care more about their kids going to ivy league schools than actually teaching them a lesson about consequences.
the kids who participate in egg wars do not represent the majority of paly students - just the rich ones who have money to blow on hundreds of eggs to throw at each other and ruin other people's property. it takes a certain kind of rich to be that reckless.

and hey can we all make like steve jobs and think a little differently here? quit the "oh, its a tradition" argument - that doesn't make it above the law.
i guarantee egg wars was not a tradition 50 years ago and if a stupid tradition can be started then it can also be stopped.
hey paly, if you want to go to an ivy league school, my advice: stop being stupid.


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Posted by Brand New Alum
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 3, 2011 at 12:20 pm

Anyone who is saying to punish the kids, either legally or through the school, is an ignorant idiot. Do you guys not remember what happened two years ago when the school and police tried to get back at the students for egg wars? I experienced that first hand and it's funny that this is happening and I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds this funny. For every dumb school administrator and dumb cop, theres a genius rich palo alto lawyer, who happens to also be a parent of a PA student, who is willing to counter the school and police departments actions and screw them over. The schools not gonna gonna do anything, because their scared to. The cops arent gonna do anything, because their scared too. The kids always win in these situations, its highschool. Get over it, and maybe PA won't be notorious for marginal school administration and dirty bored cops.


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Posted by concernedforidiots
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 3, 2011 at 12:23 pm

in 2009 not only did the students vandalise property and leave a gigantic mess for someone else to clean up, they also chose to do it at gunn campus, which suffered many tragedies that year. palo alto still feels that pain and the students were completely insensitive to it. shows something lacking in their conscience if you ask me.

only in palo alto would parents hire a lawyer to defend something as stupid as egg wars. only in palo alto would parents care more about their kids going to ivy league schools than actually teaching them a lesson about consequences.

the kids who participate in egg wars do not represent the majority of paly students - just the rich ones who have money to blow on hundreds of eggs to throw at each other and ruin other people's property. it takes a certain kind of rich to be that reckless.

and hey can we all make like steve jobs and think a little differently here? quit the "oh, its a tradition" argument - that doesn't make it above the law.

i guarantee egg wars was not a tradition 50 years ago and if a stupid tradition can be started then it can also be stopped.

hey paly, if you want to go to an ivy league school, my advice: stop being stupid.


^^^ I was involved in this and you just have no idea what your talking about. Go read a book bro


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Posted by Observer
a resident of South of Midtown
on Nov 3, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Dear Brand New Alum, I'm so sorry you went through the system here without learning some really important basic values. As a community, we clearly failed you. Ideally, a school system will provide opportunities for students to learn things they haven't learned at home, such as, perhaps in your case, respect for others, humility, ethics, etc. The good news is, it's never too late to learn these things. Unfortunately, this doesn't only happen in Palo Alto.


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Posted by paly grad
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm

egg wars is a tradition... just let it happen in the stanford grove and there is zero issue


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Posted by Paly Student
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 3, 2011 at 8:30 pm

Everyone needs to calm down. I was one of the kids that got detained by the police for this. We cleaned up the mess we made, and i do not at all regret what we did. We are just kids having fun, we just want to live a little bit. A harmless tradition should not cause such an uproar among the community.

Relax Palo Alto.


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Posted by Paly Student
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm

Egg Wars is a tradition, it is a little immature but so what? for some this is their last year in high school and they're trying to make memories. If they just let us do it at Stanford, everything would be okay. No matter who you catch and what the consequences will be, you can't make a bunch of 17-18 year olds stop tradition that's been happening for years .


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Posted by durka
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 3, 2011 at 8:47 pm

This is just as funny as reading YouTube comment arguments.


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Posted by Paly Student #2
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 8:56 pm

Dear Palo Alto residents,

We are all extremely privileged to live in such a town where there is no real crime at all. People need to put something like Egg Wars into perspective, realize that it is a minor inconvenience once a year (that used to take place where no vandalism could occur),and allow kids to continue tradition, dumb or not.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 9:07 pm

I love how parents/other adults are calling underage kids "thugs" and "psychos." How mature! Yes, we really should be looking to you for wisdom and guidance. Newsflash: Egg wars will always happen. The more ignorant Palo Alto adults with nothing better to do with their time sit on Palo Alto online and argue about it the more kids will laugh and get a kick out of doing it again for years to come. Open your eyes, you'll never be able to stop a tradition like this, especially not with your condescending attitude. Would you rather they be engaging in a game of car racing or something more dangerous? We're kids and we need to let loose sometimes. Trowing eggs at each other, then picking them up afterwards hardly merits being thrown in jail (yet another crafty response from a wise and mature Palo Alto adult). No one, I repeat, not ONE person got hurt during egg wars. If your car was damaged feel free to step forward. No one? Oh yeah, that's what I thought, because they were all student cars. Get your facts straight and take a breather. Also, thank you to the PAPD for reacting in the appropriate manner.


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Posted by Paly Student #3
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 9:13 pm

As dumb as Egg Wars may seem in hindsight, it's a nearly harmless activity between two classes, will amount to become great stories to tell one's children one day, and will probably remain as something fun to do after spirit week to end the week. However immature, it's not as if the graduates of any high school did not do this type of thing when they were attending high school or even college, so residents should be a bit more lenient towards the students, and the students participating should at least clean up a bit afterward.


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Posted by Current paly student
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 9:16 pm

All the parents who are saying all pausd students are entitled and rich you are a close minded bigot. To make a generalization about thousands of people based on their location is deplorable and as a student I am ashamed I h e to tell the adults when they are being rude. Go grow up and behave like an adult


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Posted by Fred
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 3, 2011 at 9:48 pm

Hahahahahahahah all you adults hating on this tradition saying that these kids should go to jail or have their names released are hysterical. None of you can seriously say that you have never done anything illegal before so you are all beyond hypocritical. The cars were cleaned up, and if anyone's car who was hit was damaged they can take it up with the police. Get over yourselves, you call these kids from palo alto spoiled and stupid, look at what you're getting so worked up over. Get over it, the damage is done.


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Posted by paly senior
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 3, 2011 at 10:00 pm

To set the record straight, I was one of the seniors who was involved in this tradition. Personally, I think everyone is making this into a way bigger deal than it actually is. To all you parents that are freaking out and calling us kids spoiled brats, I want you to think back to your time when you were a kid. Try to remember that kids like to have fun and have a good time. If you don't understand that, I pity you for living such a boring life. Also, if you really think about this, we are throwing eggs. I could think of hundreds of things that we could be doing that are much worse. Everyone needs to calm down because this tradition will never stop. No matter how much people complain.


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Posted by fed up student
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 3, 2011 at 10:44 pm

for gods sake were throwing eggs not having knife fights and stand offs! all these parents and "concerned adults" need to get real. there are way bigger problems you can spend your time on than teenagers throwing eggs in a park. birds lay eggs in the park, whats the difference if the eggs are just open. its not like its trash or something. eggs are biodegradable people. If anyone is acting stuck up or pretentious its the people making a big deal out of this. GET A LIFE PEOPLE. do you even realize how stupid you sound? youre making a huge deal, wasting your time and energy about some students throwing eggs at a park. im sure IF any of you went to high school, there were some traditions there too. we arent unruly, crazy kids doing dangerous life threatening activities. were throwing eggs. get over it. move on. find something better to do with your life. think about how the sprinklers in your backyard are wasting water that kids in africa dont have.
ps-if our parents payed more attention to us than egg wars, there would be much larger issues. put that in your pipe and smoke it.


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Posted by justrelax
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:37 pm

I am a current paly upperclassman and I did not engage in egg wars this year, but I do not see any reason as to why this event should be so publicized and criticized. I understand why those who's cars were hit are so upset, but people earlier have made great points. If you live in Palo Alto you likely have enough money for a car wash, and if the Stanford police hadn't been so strict about it three years ago, we could have kept the tradition in the Stanford Grove and it wouldn't have been a problem. To those who've said that we should be thrown in jail to be taught a lesson, I ask you to put this one-night-a-year event into perspective. To the supportive parents, thank you for understanding.
Being PAUSD students, we are expected to get good grades, participate in extensive extracurriculars, and eventually get into the good schools our parents have pushed us towards. As many of you above have commented, yes, we are expected to get into Ivy-league schools, yes, our parents likely have the money to send us to these private schools, and yes, our parents care about our futures and are willing to spend money to get a lawyer to defend us when a group of adults accuse us of doing something that in reality only about 3 people did (referring to the Gunn incident). We didn't choose this life, we were born into it, just like everyone else on this planet. And being born into this role can be stressful. Egg wars is a way for students to let go, a last cry in freedom and fun that spirit week brings for one week a year. Being called a "gangbanger", "thug", and "entitled" accutally hurts, because that is not at all what this tradition is about.
I just want those adults who suggest that we are criminals to understand that we don't do this to destroy property, but to destroy the other class in a last battle that brings our class together. I will be out there next year, wherever it may be held, and join my classmates in the tradition that paly upperclassmen are proud to call their own.


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Posted by Men are strange
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:04 am

"we don't do this to destroy property, but to destroy the other class"
Fun = destroying something. Like hunting, like killing something for pleasure. Like treasuring guns. Men can be such strange creatures.
These boys just don't get it, that there are ways to have fun that don't involve destruction, killing, demolishing, destroying, wounding.
They don't get it. Fortunately many do outgrow the madness. Alas some never do.


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Posted by justrelax
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:25 am

Umm... why did you expect that to be a man? I am quite positive that I'm female.

And to clarify, I meant destroy as in destroy them in spirit, in class unity. No one want's to physically harm the other people, we just want a way to get out and do something fun and exciting and not particularly dangerous to let off some steam.

Another point to bring up is that some of the people above were mentioning that in any other county we would get punished much more. But in reality, nearly any other county would be happy that the worst thing that we do is throw eggs at each other in a park once a year.

Seriously people, just relax.


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Posted by Paly student
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 4, 2011 at 9:31 am

Everybody needs to chill out. We weren't even throwing at cars intentionally. Its a victimless act of harmless rebellion and fun for spirit week. This is whats wrong with Palo Alto. Take a minor event for any other city, and we find a way to blow it up into world war 3. Give us a break..


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Posted by wow
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 4, 2011 at 9:37 am

Those of you mentioning the Gunn suicides, and the "inconsiderate" kids who had egg wars at Gunn. Have you ever thought that maybe living in a community that blows a thing like egg wars out of proportion led to the trajedies at Gunn. You read a book bro.


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Posted by LOL
a resident of another community
on Nov 4, 2011 at 1:11 pm

To all current and recent PALY students. Congrats, you're only beginning to learn about the insanity and absurdity that Palo Alto has to offer. Get used to it, it's not going anywhere.

Let kids get into a little trouble. It's how we grow up.

-PALY Grad (Class of 2004)


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Posted by Hardly qualifies
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 4, 2011 at 2:23 pm

To the Paly 1%...

Keep the party private and limit any damage to your own property...have a great time...and you would not see any reaction from the community. Nobody knows, nobody's hurt, period.

When your fun spills over and unintentionally damages other people's property - then the community is going to weigh in and expect you to take responsibility (clean up, pay for damage).

When you instead, express that you don't or shouldn't have to accept responsibility - that community members should support you by accepting damage to their property and/or incurring their own expense - the community is going to express their strong reaction to both the damage AND your attitude.

It's not about your eggs, your games or your right to have fun...go for it. It's about your attitude - printed in black and white...

"it's a victimless act...", "you likely have enough money for a car wash"..."we didn't choose this life, we were born into it" ..."and if anyone's car was hit, they can take it up with the police"... "and yes our parents care about our futures and can afford a lawyer to defend us..."... "For every dumb school administrator and dumb cop, theres a genius rich palo alto lawyer, who happens to also be a parent of a PA student, who is willing to counter the school and police departments actions and screw them over"...

Your comments don't represent Palo Alto High School or the thinking, values or attitudes of most high school students (or recent alums) - thank goodness.

You don't deserve to be called names or to have this event overexaggerated.

It just is what it is and the community expects you to clean up and pay up. If that sounds "insane or absurd", well, "it's how you grow up" - in Palo Alto or any community.


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Posted by LOL
a resident of another community
on Nov 4, 2011 at 3:00 pm

How about baby boomers take responsibility for the debt that they have left our generation?


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Posted by I don't blame the kids
a resident of Meadow Park
on Nov 4, 2011 at 11:15 pm

I blame the parents.


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Posted by Observer
a resident of South of Midtown
on Nov 5, 2011 at 10:49 am

Hardly, Well said!


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Posted by i
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 6, 2011 at 1:16 am

ignorance


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Posted by Jeff
a resident of Palo Verde School
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:16 am

Didn't Abraham Lincoln have a quote about not "Crushing" young people.
Help me out if you know what that quote was.
I think PAPD did a great job in dealing with this.
I for one feel the PAPD used good judgement in dealing with me (class of 77) as a teenager in Palo Alto. I still think they are here for the citizens of Palo Alto.


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